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Sorry They’ve Been So Mean To You, George

By Ray McGovern

04/30/07 "ICH" -- -- “If you can’t say something positive about someone, don’t say anything.”  This was drummed into me by my Irish grandmother and, as was the case with most of her admonishments, it has stood me in good stead.  On occasion, though, it has been a real bother—as when I felt called to comment on George Tenet’s apologia, In the Center of the Storm, coming soon to a bookstore near you.

 

On the verge of despair, I ran into an old classmate of Tenet’s from PS 94 in Little Neck, Queens.  Help at last.  He told me that George was more handsome than his twin brother Billy, and that his outgoing nature and consummate political skill got him elected president of the student body.

Positive enough, Grandma?  Now let me add this.

 

George Tenet’s book shows that he remains, first and foremost, a politician—with no clue as to the proper role of intelligence work.  He is unhappy about going down in history as “Slam Dunk Tenet.”  George protests that his famous remark to President Bush on Dec. 21, 2002 was not meant to assure the president that available intelligence on weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was a “slam dunk.”  Rather he meant that the argument that Saddam Hussein had such weapons could be readily enhanced to slam-dunk status in order to sell war on Iraq.  Yesterday evening on CBS’ 60 Minutes Tenet explained what he meant when he uttered those words—the words he says have now been distorted to blame him for the war in Iraq.  What he says he meant was simply:

 

“We can put a better case together for a public case.” (sic)

 

Tenet still doesn’t get it.  Those of us schooled in the craft and ethos of intelligence remain in wide-mouthed disbelief, perhaps best summed up by veteran operations officer Bob Baer’s recent quip:

“So, it is better that the ‘slam dunk’ referred to the ease with which the war could be sold?  I guess I missed that part of the National Security Act delineating the functions of the CIA—the part about CIA marketing a war.  Guess that’s why I never made it into senior management.”

 

Reluctant Scapegoat

George’s concern over being scapegoated  is understandable.  But could he not have seen it coming?  Not even when then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld asked him in the fall of 2002 whether he had created a system for tracking how good the intelligence was compared with what would be actually found in Iraq?  The folks I know from Queens usually can tell when they’re being set up.  Maybe Tenet was naive enough to believe that his friend the president (“President Bush and I are much alike,” he writes) would protect him from the likes of Rumsfeld and Vice President Cheney even when—as was inevitable—someone would have to take the fall.  Or did George actually believe Cheney’s insight that US forces would be greeted in Iraq as liberators, and that at that point, the absence of the weapons of mass destruction would not matter?

Now George is worried about his reputation.  He told 60 Minutes:

 

“At the end of the day, the only thing you have...is your reputation built on trust and your personal honor, and when you don’t have that anymore, well, there you go.

I immediately thought back to former Secretary of State Colin Powell’s response when he was asked if he regretted the lies he told at the UN on Feb. 5, 2003.  Powell said he regretted that speech because it was “a blot on my record.”

 

So we’ve got ruined reputations and blots on records.  Poor boys.  What about the 3, 344 American soldiers already killed in a war that could not have happened had not these poor fellows deliberately distorted the evidence and led the cheering for war.  What about the more than 50,000 troops wounded, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians whose deaths can be attributed directly to the invasion and its aftermath.  There are blots, and there are blots.  Why is it that Tenet and Powell seem to inhabit a different planet?

 

Despite all this, they still have their defenders...or at least Tenet does.  (Powell’s closest associate, Col. Larry Wilkerson, decided long ago to turn state’s evidence and apologize for his and Powell’s role in the intelligence/policy fiasco, but Powell has tried to remain above the battle.  He may, I suppose, be writing his own book.)

 

Saturday on National Public Radio Tenet’s deputy and partner in crime, John McLaughlin, went to ludicrous lengths reciting a carefully prepared list of “all the things that the CIA got right,” while conceding that it (not “we,” mind you, but “it”) performed “inadequately” in assessing weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

[What Tenet has said, both while writing his book and while hawking it on TV, is highly troubling—so much so that a number of us wrote him a letter yesterday to express our concern to him directly.  I shall include a copy below.]

 

Defending Torture...Again

Hewing to the George W. Bush dictum of “catapulting the propaganda” by endlessly repeating the same claim (the formula used so successfully by Joseph Goebbels), Tenet manages to tell 60 Minutes five times in five consecutive sentences:  “We don’t torture people.”  Like President Bush, however, he then goes on to show why it has been absolutely necessary to torture people.  Do they take us for fools?  And Tenet’s claims of success in extracting information via torture are no more deserving of credulity than the rest of what he says.

His own credibility aside, Tenet has succeeded in destroying the asset without which an intelligence community cannot be effective and informed policy making is at grave risk—trustworthiness.  That is serious.  He seems blissfully oblivious to the damage he has done—aware only of the damage he accuses others of doing to his “personal honor.”

 

Lessons

If any good can come out of the intelligence/policy debacle regarding Iraq, it would be the clear lesson that intelligence crafted to dovetail with the predilections of policymakers can bring disaster.  The role that Tenet, McLaughlin and their small coterie of malleable managers played as willing accomplices in the corruption of intelligence has made a mockery of the verse chiseled into the marble at the entrance to CIA headquarters:  “You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

 

Had Tenet been tenaciously honest, his analysts would have risen to the occasion.  And there is a good chance that they could have helped prevent what the Nuremburg Tribunal called the “supreme international crime”—a war of aggression—a war that Tenet and his subordinates knew had nothing to do with the “intelligence” adduced to “justify” it, as Tenet now admits in his book.

 

No director of the CIA should come from the ranks of congressional staff, since those staffers work in a politicized ambience antithetical to substantive intelligence work.  Tenet is Exhibit A.  When he was nominated for the job, outside observers deemed it a good sign that, as a congressional staffer, Tenet had been equally popular on both sides of the aisle.  But for intelligence professionals, this raised a huge red flag.

 

As we had learned early in our careers, if you consistently tell it like it is, you are certain to make enemies.  Those enjoying universal popularity are ipso facto suspect of perfecting the political art of compromise—shading this and shaving that.  However useful this may be on the Hill, it sounds the death knell for intelligence analysis.  Tenet also lacked experience in managing a large, complicated organization.  Such experience is a sine qua non.

 

Finally, it is mischievous myth that the CIA director must cultivate a close personal relationship with the president.  Nor should he/she try to do so, for it is a net minus.  The White House is not a fraternity house; mutual respect is far more important than camaraderie.   A mature president will respect an independent intelligence director.  The latter must resist the temptation to be “part of the team” in the same way that the president’s political advisers are part of the team.  Overly close identification with “the team” can erode objectivity and cloud intelligence judgments.  Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, like Cheney a frequent visitor to CIA headquarters in 2002 to “help” with the analysis on Iraq, told the press that Tenet was “so grateful to the president [presumably for not firing him after Sept. 11, 2001] that he would do anything for him.”  That attitude is the antithesis of what is needed in senior intelligence officers.

 

Much is at stake, and it will be an uphill battle to bring back honesty and professionalism to the analysis process and impede efforts to politicize the intelligence product.  In an institution like the CIA, significant, enduring improvement requires vision, courage, and integrity at the top.  It has been almost three decades since the CIA has been led by such a person.

 

Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, the publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in Washington, DC.  His responsibilities during his 27-year service as a CIA analyst included chairing National Intelligence Estimates and preparing the President’s Daily Brief.  He is co-founder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).

An earlier version of the above article appeared on Truthout.com.


Letter to George Tenet

The following was sent to George Tenet in care of his publisher. The letter, written by a group of former intelligence officers, reflects disgust with George Tenet's effort to burnish his image with his new "tell all" book.

 

28 April 2007

Mr. George Tenet
c/o Harper Collins Publishers
10 East 53rd Street
8th Floor
New York City, New York 10022
ATTN:  Ms. Tina Andredis

 

Dear Mr. Tenet:

We write to you on the occasion of the release of your book, At the Center of the Storm.  You are on record complaining about the “damage to your reputation” caused by your role on the Iraq war.  In our view the damage to your reputation is inconsequential compared to the harm your actions have caused for the U.S. soldiers engaged in combat in Iraq and for the national security of the United States.  We believe you have a moral obligation to return the Medal of Freedom you received from President George W. Bush.  We also call for you to dedicate a significant percentage of the royalties from your book to the U.S. soldiers and their families who have been killed and wounded in Iraq.

 

We agree with you that Vice President Dick Cheney and other Bush administration officials took the United States to war for flimsy reasons.  We agree that the war of choice in Iraq was ill advised and wrong headed.  But your lament that you are a victim in a process you helped direct is self-serving, misleading and, as head of the intelligence community, an admission of failed leadership.  You were not a victim. You were a willing participant in a poorly considered policy to start an unnecessary war and you share culpability with Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, and others for the debacle in Iraq.

 

You are not alone in failing to speak up and protest the twisting and shading of intelligence.  Those who remained silent when they could have made a difference also share the blame for not protesting the abuse and misuse of intelligence that occurred on your watch.  But ultimately you were in charge and you signed off on the CIA products and you briefed the President.

 

This is not a case of Monday morning quarterbacking.  You helped send very mixed signals to the American people and their legislators in the fall of 2002.  CIA field operatives produced solid intelligence in September 2002 that stated clearly there was no stockpile of any kind of WMD in Iraq. This intelligence was ignored and later misused.  On October 1 you signed and gave to President Bush and senior policy makers a fraudulent National Intelligence Estimate (NIE)—which dovetailed with unsupported threats presented by Vice President Dick Cheney in an alarmist speech on August 26, 2002.

 

You were all too well aware that the White House tried to present as fact intelligence you knew was unreliable.  And yet you tried to have it both ways.  On October 7, just hours before the president gave a major speech in Cincinnati, you were successful in preventing him from using the fable about Iraq purchasing uranium in Africa, although that same claim appeared in the NIE you signed only six days before.
 
Although CIA officers learned in late September 2002 from a high-level member of Saddam Hussein's inner circle that Iraq had no past or present contact with Osama bin Laden and that the Iraqi leader considered bin Laden an enemy of the Baghdad regime, you still went before Congress in February 2003 and testified that Iraq did indeed have links to Al Qaeda. (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/09/20060915-4.html).

 

You showed a lack of leadership and courage in January of 2003 as the Bush Administration pushed and cajoled analysts and managers to let them make the bogus claim that Iraq was on the verge of getting its hands on uranium.   You signed off on Colin Powell's presentation to the United Nations.  And, at his insistence, you sat behind him and visibly squandered CIA's most precious asset—credibility.
  
You may now feel you were bullied and victimized but you were also one of the bullies.  You cannot claim that you were bullied into acting by the administration, while you chose to remain silent as the White House misled Congress and the American people.  In the end you allowed suspect sources, like the notorious Curveball, to be used based on very limited reporting and evidence.  Yet you were informed in no uncertain terms that Curveball was not reliable.  You broke with CIA standard practice and insisted on voluminous evidence to refute this reporting rather than treat the information and source as suspect.  You helped set the bar very low for reporting that supported favored White House positions, while raising the bar astronomically high when it came to raw intelligence that did not support the case for war being hawked by the president and vice president.

 

It now turns out that you were the Alberto Gonzales of the intelligence community--a grotesque mixture of incompetence and sycophancy shielded by a genial personality.  Decisions were made, you were in charge, but you have no idea how decisions were made, even though you were in charge.  Curiously, you focus your anger on the likes of Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Condoleezza Rice, but you decline to criticize the President.

 

Mr. Tenet, as head of the intelligence community, you failed to use your position of power and influence to protect the intelligence process and, more importantly, the country.  What should you have done?  What could you have done?

 

For starters, during the critical summer and fall of 2002, you could have gone to key Republicans and Democrats in the Congress and warned them of the pressure.  But you remained silent.  Your candor during your July 20, 2002 one-on-one with Sir Richard Dearlove, then-head of British Intelligence, provides documentary proof that you knew exactly what you were doing; namely, "fixing" the intelligence to the policy.

By your silence you helped build the case for war.  You betrayed the CIA officers who collected the intelligence that made it clear that Saddam did not pose an imminent threat.  You betrayed the analysts who tried to withstand the pressure applied by Cheney and Rumsfeld.

 

Most importantly and tragically, you failed to meet your obligations to the people of the United States.  Instead of resigning in protest, when it could have made a difference in the public debate, you remained silent and allowed the Bush Administration to cite your participation in these deliberations to justify its decision to go to war.  Your silence contributed to the willingness of the public to support the disastrous war in Iraq, which has killed more than 3300 Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.

 

If you are committed to correcting the record about your past failings then you should start by returning the Medal of Freedom you received from President Bush in December 2004.  You claim it was given only because of the war on terror, but you were standing next to General Tommy Franks and L. Paul Bremer, who also contributed to the disaster in Iraq.  President Bush said that you:

 

Played pivotal roles in great events, and [your] efforts have made our country more secure and advanced the cause of human liberty.

 

The reality of Iraq, however, has not made our nation more secure nor has the cause of human liberty been advanced. In fact, your tenure as head of the CIA has helped create a world that is more dangerous.  The damage to the credibility of the CIA is serious but can eventually be repaired.  Many of the U.S. soldiers maimed in the streets of Fallujah and Baghdad cannot be fixed.  Many will live the rest of their lives missing limbs, blinded, mentally disabled, or physically disfigured. And the dead have passed into history.

Mr. Tenet, you cannot undo what has been done.  It is doubly sad that you seem still to lack an adequate appreciation of the enormous amount of death and carnage you have facilitated.  If reflection on these matters serves to prick your conscience we encourage you to donate at least half of the royalties from your book sales to the veterans and their families, who have paid and are paying the price for your failure to speak up when you could have made a difference.  That would be the decent and honorable thing to do.


Sincerely yours,

          /s/

Phil Giraldi
Ray McGovern
Larry Johnson
Jim Marcinkowski
Vince Cannistraro
David MacMichael
W. Patrick Lang

 
 
   
 

Calling all Bush Supporters!
Do you still have faith in the Bush administration? That is the question debated across Vermont.

                                                                                                                                                 

Here is the text of a resolution calling for President Bush 's impeachment that was voted on at Vermont Town Meetings Tuesday:

"Whereas George W. Bush  and Richard B. Cheney have:

1. deliberately misled the nation about the threat from Iraq  in order to justify a war,

2. condoned the torture of prisoners in violation of the Geneva Convention and U.S. law,

3. approved illegal electronic surveillance of American citizens without a warrant, and,

WHEREAS these actions have undermined our Constitutional system of government, damaged the reputation of America, and threatened our national security,

Therefore, the voters of the town of ------------------- call upon the U.S. House of Representatives  to investigate these charges and if the investigation supports the charges, vote to impeach George W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney as provided in the Constitution of the United States of America. This resolution shall be signed by the Town Clerk and forwarded to both the Speaker and the Clerk of the U.S. House  of Representatives and Representative John Conyers of the House Judiciary Committee."
                                                                                                                                                  

This does not include the suspicion that has been cast upon the administration because of the recent "Scooter" Libby trials. Of course, while suspicion is not an impeachable offense, it does reflect upon the administration when combined all the other questionable actions that have arose in the past, from how Hurricane Katrina was handled, to the poor treatment of our troops, to mismanaged resources.

Should this administration be allowed to continue in light of all the negatives and in the absence of very many positives?



 
 
 

   
Rumsfeld Remembers Ford as Patriot Who Restored Confidence

 

By Donna Miles

 

Dec. 27, 2006 – Former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld remembered Ford as a patriot who led the United States through difficult days and helped restore confidence in its government.  "President Ford was a man of great decency and towering integrity," Rumsfeld said in a written statement released today.

 

Ford died last night in Rancho Mirage, Calif., at age 93. Rumsfeld served in Ford's Cabinet, as chief of staff from 1974 to 1975, then as the youngest U.S. defense secretary from 1975 to 1977.

 

Rumsfeld called Ford a patriot who left a budding law career to join the Navy in World War II, then demonstrated a deep pride in the country and respect for its government while serving in the U.S. Congress.

 

Rumsfeld's long association with the former president dates back to the 1960s, when both served in the U.S. House of Representatives. While serving as U.S. ambassador to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization in 1974, Rumsfeld was called back to Washington to serve as chairman of Ford's presidential transition team.

 

"Our nation has a way of finding leaders that are needed in tough times," Rumsfeld said.

 

Rumsfeld called Ford "just the president our country needed back in 1974." He remembered the former president as a serious, effective legislator who never sought the presidency but was ready to serve as vice president, then president, when the country needed him.

 

"He became president in a time of widespread distrust of government and those who governed," Rumsfeld said. "As president, his personal character helped restore the reservoir of trust in the government and its leaders that is needed for our system to function effectively."

 

Ford did so, Rumsfeld said, "by being who he was and always doing what he believed was in the best interest of our country and the American people."

 

Article sponsored by criminal justice leadership; and police and military personnel who have become writers.

 

 
 
   
 

Meet the New Secretary of Defense
Robert Gates is Rumsfeld Lite; Hadley—Just Lite

By Ray McGovern

11/30/06 "
Information Clearing House" -- -- Press reporting on information provided to the Senate by Robert Gates, President George W. Bush’s nominee for the post of defense secretary, show Gates hewing closely to the rhetoric of his predecessor. Gates is shown to be more parrot than innovator in his responses to a questionnaire given him by the Senate Armed Services Committee, which takes up his nomination on Dec. 5.

None of this surprises those of us who for decades have watched Gates make career after career out of trimming his sails to the prevailing winds. No one should expect Gates to depart one iota from the position of the president, who repeated yesterday that there will be no troop pullout from Iraq “until the job is complete.” In answering the senators’ questions, Gates insisted that an early pullout would risk “leaving Iraq in chaos [with] dangerous consequences both in the region and globally for many years to come.”

No surprise either in Gates’ strong endorsement of spending billions more on—and prematurely deploying—the missile defense system that was Rumsfeld’s pet project and for an earlier version of which Gates saw fit to advocate, even while he was still CIA director. Even if the system can be made to work (and this has yet to be demonstrated), the it is of highly dubious utility in preventing the kinds of terrorist attacks that appear far more likely than a nuclear-tipped missile from a “rogue” state like North Korea or Iran—if they ever succeed in developing one.

Gates lumps the two together, saying, “North Korea and Iran continue to develop longer range missiles and are determined to pursue weapons of mass destruction.” In attributing this intention to Iran, Gates demonstrates that he has lost none of his verve as master-practitioner of what we intelligence alumni call “faith-based intelligence.” Among serious intelligence analysts, especially in the Department of Energy where the expertise lies, the jury is out on whether the evidence proves that Iran is embarked on a weapons-related nuclear program—and, if so, how soon it might have a deliverable nuclear weapon. And the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), led by Nobel Peace Prize laureate Mohamed ElBaradei also keeps saying existing evidence permits no hard and fast conclusions.

In prejudging that key issue, Gates has elevated the status of Iranian intentions, in Rumsfeldian parlance, from a “known unknown” to a “known known.” In doing so, he has thrown in his lot with the so-called “neo-conservatives,” whose record for accuracy in such judgments leaves much to be desired, and who—after a pre-election lull—have been revving up for another try at prevailing on the president to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities. Gates’ position on Iran’s nuclear weapons plans suggests he will not put up much resistance to importuning by Vice President Dick Cheney and the neo-conservatives—not to mention the Israelis—that Iran’s fledgling nuclear program must be nipped in the bud.

In what is known so far of the information in the completed questionnaire, Gates made one departure from long established White House policy. Very much in tune with the admonishment of his patron Jim Baker that talking directly with adversaries in not “appeasement,” Gates implicitly criticized the anathema on negotiating with the likes of Syria and Iran, stressing that such talks could come “as part of an international conference” of the kind the Baker/Hamilton group is said to be suggesting.

A New First: Snubbed by a Quisling

President George W. Bush landed in Amman yesterday afternoon for talks with Iraqi Prime Minister with a thick cloud hanging over their abortive meeting. The leaked memo of Nov. 8 criticizing Maliki by national security adviser Stephen Hadley threatened to scuttle the talks entirely, but after Maliki canceled yesterday’s meeting, he and Bush managed to put up a good, but transparent, front today.

Among other indignities, the memo gives the lie to the president’s protestation Tuesday that Iraq is “a sovereign nation.” Maliki’s quisling status is laid bare, and Hadley’s suggestion that the U.S. “consider monetary support to moderate groups” will not go down well with the immoderate groups raising hell in Baghdad.

Equally clear in the memo is the White House’s continuing divorce from reality. For example, under “Steps Maliki Could Take,” Hadley leads the list with:

“Bring his political strategy with Moktada al-Sadr to closure and bring to justice any [Mahdi Army] actors that do not eschew violence.” Right.

This is in the same league of naïveté as the Washington Post’s editors’ solemn but lame suggestion yesterday:

“Mr. Maliki needs to give his own deadline to the Americans for launching a truly make-or-break campaign to retake the streets of Baghdad.”

Been there; tried that. Where have the Post’s editors been over the past few months?

There is some irony, if not comic relief, in Hadley’s observation that “the information he [Maliki] receives is undoubtedly skewed by his small circle of Dawa advisers.” And so it is in Washington as well. If Gates is confirmed this will not sweeten the flavor of the self-licking ice cream cone that is the coterie of advisers around our president.

 
 
 

   
Grossman, etc.

Grossman’s speech continues to elicit comment.  I neglected to mention Uri Avnery’s critique.  Jonathan Cook takes on both Grossman and Avnery and is as incisive as usual.  While crediting Avnery’s decades of mainly principled leadership of the Israeli peace movement, such as it is, he hits the nail on the head when he points out,

 

The bottom line in any peace for Avnery is the continued existence and success of Israel as a Jewish state. That rigidly limits his ideas about what sort of peace a "radical" Israeli peace activist ought to be pursuing.

 

Like Grossman, Avnery supports a two-state solution because, in both their views, the future of the Jewish state cannot be guaranteed without a Palestinian state alongside it. This is why Avnery finds himself agreeing with 90 per cent of Grossman's speech. If the Jews are to prosper as a demographic (and democratic) majority in their state, then the non-Jews must have a state too, one in which they can exercise their own, separate sovereign rights and, consequently, abandon any claims on the Jewish state.

 

Meron Benvenisti wrote in Ha’aretz the other day,

 

In the present reality, when the very concept of "peace" has become subversive, bringing it up again might be considered a stirring event and a cardinal text. But the passive stance taken by the spokesman for the peace camp should be noted: all that a fighter for peace has to do is preach to the hollow leadership.

 

Where is the call to join the struggle against the injustice of the security fence, the choke-hold of the roadblocks, the siege on Gaza, the killing of women and children, the destruction of the institutions of the Palestinian Authority, the deporting of Palestinian families "without documents"?

 

The Times also editorialized a few days ago on the opportunity Rumsfeld’s resignation present to build ‘The army we need’.

 

Part of the problem, it turns out, is that Rumsfeld ‘didn’t like the Clintonian notion of using the United States military to secure and rebuild broken states.’  Like Somalia?  And Haiti?  And Kosovo?

 

And ‘circumstances in Afghanistan and Iraq called for just the things Mr. Rumsfeld didn’t like’, and that is the problem, obviously.

 

According to George Friedman, in his Stratfor Geopolitical Intelligence Report for 11.21.2006,

 

New York Democrat Charles Rangel, the new chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, has called for the reinstatement of the draft…Rangel's essential point is that the way the United States has manned the military since World War II is inherently unjust. It puts the lower classes at risk in fighting wars, leaving the upper classes free to pursue their lives and careers… When those who benefit most from a society feel no obligation to defend it, there is a deep and significant malaise in that society.

There is no inherent reason why enlistment -- or conscription -- should be targeted toward those in late adolescence. And there is no reason why the rich themselves, rather than the children of the rich, should not go to war…Rangel is correct in saying that the upper classes in American society are not pulling their weight…If Americans are serious about dealing with the crisis of lack of service among the wealthiest, then they should look to the wealthiest first, rather than their children.

 

Unlike his namesake, Thomas L., George Friedman has an interesting way of thinking.  At least he knows there’s a class war going on.  If only he could get past the idea that ‘nations’ have geopolitical interests independent of the interests of their ruling classes…well, then he wouldn’t be writing these analyses, and Stratfor wouldn’t attract the clientele they seek, would they?

 
 
   
 

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