Pastor @ MindSay

Thanks for the input of my last question!  There were some really good, thoughtful answers posted.  Now ... to continue ...



One of my "issues" is that human nature seems quite eager to "idolize" anyone with a title, be it pastor, teacher, choir master, director ... whatever.  Scripturally, each believer has gifts and talents that are for the building up of the congregation.  All gifts have equal value to the local congregation, so no one is deserving of extraordinary honor save Jesus.  We're told that each believer has something to contribute to the whole, so how does this work?  While I have heard this taught, I have not yet seen it implemented.  Any ideas?

Lately, I've spent a good deal of time thinking about God, faith, religion, and beliefs.  My thoughts have mostly stemmed from my Philosophy 101 class in which we began hot and heavy with topic of God.  But I suppose I should start at the beginning.

My parents met while attending Austin Theological Seminary in Austin, Texas, where they both studying to become Presbyterian ministers.  Both of my grandfathers- their fathers, are now retired ministers. My maternal grandfather a Cumberland Presbyterian turned Methodist, my paternal grandfather a lawyer turned Presbyterian minister.  All four of my grandparents, as well as both of my parents are deeply spiritual and religious people.  They are all studied in theology.  My mom was a practicing minister from before I was born until I was 14 or so, my dad is still currently a minister and will continue to be so until his retirement.  While my mom's life has taken her in a different direction than ministry, she still attends church regularly. I suppose the simple version of this is, my family is pretty religious.

I, on the other hand, have never been very spiritual, and truthfully, it's not for lack of trying.  I was brought up in the church, baptized as an infant as is custom in the Presbyterian faith.  I attended church, Sunday school, Vacation Bible School, after school church programs, and summer church camps for many years.  I was very active in my church's youth group while I was in middle and high school.  I know what Presbyterians believe and I also understand how it differs from other Christian denominations. I was confirmed into the church when I was a young teenager.

 My parents always encouraged me to be involved at church, but never forced anything on me, and I thank them for that. While I am confused about my beliefs, I'm not at all resentful that I was raised as a Christian.  In fact, I think many Christian values and ideals are very good, although unfortunately often misinterpreted and taken to extremes. As far as Christianity goes, I think the Presbyterians have got it down. Maybe I’m biased though.

I guess what I'm getting at, is that although I have been religious for most of my life, I have never really felt spiritual. I'm not really sure how much sense that makes, but I don't think that the two are one in the same (although they do often go hand in hand).  I know what it is that Christians and more specifically Presbyterians believe. The point I most identify with is this: Our salvation (justification) through Jesus is God's generous gift to us and not the result of our own accomplishments. This statement meant a lot to me while I was growing up in East Texas- smack dab in the middle of the Bible Belt.  I was constantly asked "Have you been saved?", and as a young child was confused about it.  As I got older, I was taught to believe this- that I was "saved" by the grace of God alone, and not by being submersed in water and proclaiming for everyone to see just how damn much I loved Jesus.

Despite the comfort I felt learning that I was saved by the God's grace, I never really felt connected to God.  I would pray, but I felt more like I was talking to myself than anything else.  The only time I ever really felt spiritual at all, was at the summer camp I went to, Mo Ranch.  Mo Ranch is a Presbyterian conference center in the Hill Country of Texas where all sorts of conferences, camps, and events are held. I attended several conferences while I was in middle school and high school, as well as taking trips with my family.  Each time I would venture there in the summer to take a break from my every day life, I would feel connected to God in a way I never did anywhere else.  I felt as if my prayers were actually being heard. I felt connected to others as my brothers and sisters in Christ.  I felt at peace.  But back at home, as much as I would long to feel the way I did at Mo Ranch, it just wasn't there for me, whatever "it" was. 

As I started college last year at Schreiner, a Presbyterian affiliate school, I became active with campus ministry.  I attended the weekly Presbyterian Bible study/discussion group, and sometimes went to the Wednesday Inter-Denominational worship service. As the year progressed and I was increasingly unhappy at Schreiner, I attended worship and Bible study less and less, until I stopped going all together my second semester. I wasn't getting anything out of either worship or Bible study.  I felt knowledgeable theologically, but not at all spiritually connected.  I even ventured to my beloved Mo Ranch, which is very near to Schreiner, in January to be a small group leader for high school students at a weekend conference. Yet even Mo did not have its usual effect on me. 

At home this summer, I only attend church twice. Once when I first got home from school for the summer, and another time for Father's Day because my dad asked me to come.  Both of those Sundays were social occasions more than anything else. And now that I am on my own again in a new town, at a new college, I have not tried to become involved with any religious group, or attend any church service.

And this, I suppose, brings me back to where I began this rant- Philosophy.  The very first lecture in this class was on the question "Does God Exist?" In regards to this question, my professor explained, you are either a Causal Theist (you believe in God because everything must be caused by something else, and the universe and therefore the earth must've been caused by God), a Design Theist (you believe in God because the world fits together so perfectly, like a machine) or an Atheist (you don't believe in God because there are scientific and other explanations for things that used to be thought to be super natural or other worldly). 

 

Philosophy intrigues and frustrated me (and humans in general) because there is never definitive proof of anything- only speculation and more questions.  In reading about each of the points of view, I agreed with some aspects, but disagreed with others.  There is always a counter to an argument. In the end, I feel I can only truly identify with a forth point of view, the Agnostic.  The agnostic believes there really is no way to prove that there is or is not a God.

I know religion is not the same as philosophy, but I still feel it's all interconnected.  Is there a God? Why do so many people believe that there is based on faith, an abstract concept of believing without seeing or knowing for sure?

In my philosophy class today, the lecture and discussion was based on the topic "Can God allow innocent suffering?"  The Contradictor believes that if God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-good (which is widely believed/accepted), he would not allow innocent people to suffer. The Reconciler believes that God allows suffering in order for people to build character, and that it's all part of a "bigger plan".  Personally, I don't find the Reconciler's argument at all convincing.  Innocent children starve to death, loved ones die of disease; natural disasters injure, kill, and demolish...so that people can build character? I don't think so.  Furthermore, the arguments and points being made by the obviously run-of-the-mill Christians fell so flat against my ears; I couldn't bear to count myself among them. 

 

And I realized really, that I'm not one of them.  I'm not even a "Sunday Christian" anymore. I don't put on my nice clothes and my happy face and try to pray, hoping that I'll connect with some form God.  I don't even pretend. I'm not sure what I believe regarding God, let alone about The Bible or Jesus. The Bible is a book. I hate it when people quote scripture at me, as if it’s law, as if these words are the absolute truth no matter what.  So where does that leave me? I hardly believe I’m going to be sent to burn in the fires of hell- I’ve never really believed hell exists. Hell, I have always believed, is a fairytale meant to scare humans into being good. Is there an afterlife?  I’m not sure, but I hope so.  If there is a God, does he love me unconditionally as I have been taught, or did he merely create the universe and let nature take its course? And did God send his son in the form of Jesus to be the savior of the world?

 

I guess human kind will never know the answers to these questions, as much as they claim to “know” one way or the other.  But I guess that won’t stop me, or any of us, from seeking out answers to base our beliefs on.  I just hope that I can be content with life I’m living and the wonderful people that are apart of it.  That, I think, is what’s most important.

And I have to admit it was quite a trip.=) our church has been without a regular associate pastor for the past 6 months. So we have been having fill ins every sunday.Last sunday they picked the new pastor. but I wasn't able to get to church last sunday so I had missed introduction.

I'm the preschool teacher/infant watcher on Sundays, Pre-school during the week, AWANAS on wednesday. So I figured the pastor would like to be introduced to the person he was going to be seeing more of than he probably ever wanted to.=)

Well I have the unfortunate name Turtle Hussy-Rider. When I introduced myself, he gave me a really weird look. It took a while to convince him that no, someone wasn't playing a bad joke on him and yes, I WAS the preschool teacher, Miss Turtle. He asked if he could shorten it. I said sure. Do you prefer miss Hussy or miss Rider? He just shook his head in total disbelief. I told him that I also respond to miss Turtle, since thats what the preschoolers call me. Or he could call me Uni-pod. We settled for Miss Turtle. So I collected my kids (6 are in preschool infant class) and told him I'd be back for AWANAS at 4. He was still shaking his head when I left. Maybe cuz I had so many kids?

This is our Pastor's wife, Julie Roberts, who had a lot of trouble conceiving her first baby fourteen years ago. When a baby did not come along in a few years, the couple felt the urging to adopt a needy child. There was a young lady in their congregation at the time that just could not handle having a baby due to circumstances, and they decided to adopt her and give her a great home. She became Noel, because they got her around Christmas time. Then, when she was about three or four, suddenly, they became pregnant and had Chantelle. They did not use birth control and no more babies have happened in fourteen years, but in the meantime, they have adopted three more sons from needy homes and are great parents, and great shepherds for our little home missionary church in Ogden Utah.

Then this little miracle came alone, and after the initial surprise, since she is 37 years old already, they welcomed the idea of another little one! A family with six children, all equally loved and cared for...imagine! I had trouble with just having three. But God knows what he is doing, sending just the right number of children to the right parents.

Eden Patience Roberts was born on Monday afternoon, was five pounds, nine ounces and was 18 inches long. Ron, her daddy, said that he has caught fish that were longer than she is.

I have not been able to see her yet, because I did not dare go near her with this coughing (altho I think I am on the mend again) but my husband, Lawrence took these photos for me (and all of my friends) to see. They say that so far, she is a very quiet baby, only giving a little wail when she needs attention. But then, with a whole tribe to watch out for her, I think she is going to have quite enough attention! Isn't she a doll?