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Today Dale and Leilani Neumann were sentenced in the death of their daughter, Kara.

They will have extended supervision/probation for 10 years.  In a way of tribute to Kara, they each will serve 30 days of county jail for the next six years - adding up to about 6 months of jail time for both of them.  The judge's feeling was that they should be able to raise their remaining three children.  Additionally, he felt the risk to the community is low.

And of course you know I think this is crap, worse than a slap on the wrist.  Just another example of people getting away with murder.  Oh, excuse me, it was second degree reckless homicide.

http://www.wsaw.com/home/headlines/63630282.html
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After 15....yes, 15 hours of deliberation, we have a verdict!!!  At around 3:30 pm this afternoon, the jury in the case against Dale Neumann came back with a verdict.  Finally.  I was seriously afraid that it would be a hung jury and it would start all over again with a new jury.  But, no, the jury finally was able to come to a consensus.

 

And a GOOD one at that.  We the jury, find Dale Neumann.....an idiot.  No, unfortunately that's not against the law, even though it should be.  He was found GUILTY of second degree reckless homicide, in the death of his 11 year old daughter!!  :D  <---- smiles at the verdict, not the death of his daughter.  I didn't celebrate as loudly as I did when his wife was convicted because I feel like ass today, but I still am thrilled with the verdict.

 

When the guilty verdict was read, he showed NO emotion.  What does that tell you?  A gag order is still in effect, meaning that no one from the prosecutors office, defense attorney, Dale Neumann himself, are allowed to comment.  But, as he left the courtroom, Neumann was heard humming a song and seen carrying his Bible.  Sentencing is in October at the same time as his wife's.  They both are out on bail right now and will continue to be.

 

Apparently because of these two trials, the county's budget is in the red and will need to dip into an emergency fund.  The county taxpayers paid $30k for attorney and jury expenses before Dale Neumann's verdict was read, and the Clerk of Courts says that they would likely end up contributing to the emergency fund as well.  And, when you think about it, the taxpayers are also paying for both Neumann's prison time.  We're bending over and taking it in the ass for them killing their daughter.  Doesn't seem like true justice, does it?

 

You can read more or watch video at WSAW.com.

Today closing statements were given in the trial against 47 year old Dale Neumann.  He is being tried for second degree reckless homicide in the death of his daughter Kara, 11.  She died from untreated diabetes in March 2008.  His wife, Leilani, was convicted of the same charges in May 2009. 

 

The prosecutor said that the failure to obtain medical treatment was a substantial factor in causing Kara's death.  He said that she'd been limp like a rag doll and comatose the entire morning of her death and there had been plenty of time to save her life; according to testimony by medical personnel, she didn't have the normal appearance of a child at all.  The prosecutor stated that diabetes is easily treated and untreated diabetes results in death (which is why I take my insulin!!).  He argued that Neumann did nothing to put an end to Kara's suffering and misery, and while he had medical training as a former deputy sheriff, he minimized his daughter's condition.  The prosecutor emphasized that Neumann made Kara's illness a test of his own faith and asked the jury to find Neumann guilty of second degree reckless homicide.

 

The defense attorney said the state hasn't proven basic elements of the case; he said that dispatch helped cause Kara's death by not initially sending an ambulance after being told of Kara's comatose state.  He also says that the state didn't bring one witness to prove Neumann was phony or aware his actions of faith healing would cause Kara's death. 

 

The prosecutor rebutted to the closing argument stating that Kara lying there for hours and hours and not being given medical treatment was a substantial factor.  The prosecutor then tells the jury that they should find the great bodily harm reason to convict, if they can't convict on Neumann's awareness she would die.

 

The jury started deliberating around 10:30 am.  It got to be around dinner time and it was announced they had not reached a verdict.  They chose to keep going for a while before taking a dinner break.  Around 7 they took a break for dinner, and it was around 8:30 pm they interrupted television to announce that the jury would be sequestered for the evening in a hotel and in the morning they would go back to the courthouse to return to deliberations.  It seems the jury is at an impasse.  Deadlocked.  Cannot come to a unanimous decision. 

 

In Leilani's trial, they reached a verdict in around 4 hours.  This time?  10 hours and nothing.  The bastard is gonna get off, and why?  Perhaps because he ranted like a crazy man on the stand.  I've never been on a jury, but I know that the more people that have to make a decision on something, the more difficult.  You have conflicting personalities from different backgrounds and ways of thinking.  What I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall in that jury room.  I suppose no one will really know until afterward when the jurors are more able to talk about things that may have swayed their decision.

 

Hopefully the next time I blog about this, it will be with a verdict.  Even more, to announce a guilty verdict. 

It's not right to just sit and pray when a child is dying, especially from something that is very curable.

I didn't update yesterday because there wasn't much to update with.  Today, however....is another story.

 

On Thursday, the State finished up with their witnesses, first reviewing Dale Neumann's police interview with a police captain/lead investigator.  Neumann states things on the video such as "The Lord is in control; He can heal and he can raise the dead too.", "Our confidence is not in medicine, our confidence is not in doctors, our confidence is in the Lord and Him only.", and when asked on the video if he believes Kara can come back from the dead, Neumann responds "yes".  Dale's mother then takes the stand and tells that she urged the family to take Kara to the hospital; she said that she raised Dale as Christian, but can't believe what happened because she could never watch any of her own children die.  After the lunch break, another pediatrician testified to Kara's condition, saying she was very emaciated and wasted.  He also said that the Neumann family didn't ask why Kara died, which he remembers as unusual.

 

The defense is now able to call their witnesses.  The first is a customer of the Neumann's former business - a coffee shop.  The woman claims to have seen Kara at the business the Thursday before she died (on a Sunday) and she was perky, cheerful, chipper, and smiling.

 

Today - Thursday morning - the defense's next witness is Dale's uncle, who was also at the coffee shop on Thursday before Kara died.  He also testifies that she seemed busy and energetic.  An acquaintence of the family who was involved in their bible groups testified that he saw Kara six days before she died and she seemed normal, yet had dark circles under her eyes.  Another family friend and bible group attendee testified.  She stated that Kara seemed normal in the last few weeks of her life, but on the day Kara died, she went to their house because she sensed something was wrong.  She prayed with the family; she also testified to Dale's great faith and confidence that his daughter would get better.  When the friend left the house, she said she had a feeling of peace and felt Kara would be fine.

 

Then, the defense's final witness took the stand - Dale Neumann himself.  The following is directly from WSAW.com and their live blogging where I've been getting my information.  I didn't feel I could adequately sum up what he said, so I'm posting it as the news reporter blogged it.  Except for some of my comments in italics and I bolded a couple things.

 

2:08 PM: Defense calls Dale Neumann to the stand...he's carrying his bible.

 

2:10 PM: Neumann says time of recorded police interview was one of the most difficult times of his life.

 

2:14 PM: Neumann says, "Dale Neumann is dead and Jesus Christ is now in me. I am his."

 

2:23 PM: Neumann testifies as a young man he wasn't content, had a great job, had money, was travelling, was also cursing and drinking too much.

 

2:28 PM: Neumann screams in court, "God! If there's a God, show me a better way!" He's referring to why he became born again.

 

2:33 PM: Neumann screams again, "God we're so blind!!!" He's referring to his conversion to his new faith back in 1982.

 

2:42 PM: Neuman: "I physically felt something fall off of me when I came out of the water." After his born again baptism.

 

2:48 PM: Neumann: "Holy spirit spoke to me and said, are you willing to suffer for me? Yeah Lord I'm willing." Says he was called to ministry.

 

3:02 PM: Neumann is reading scriptures..it's like he's preaching to the jury.

 

3:13 PM: Neumann: I've seen cancers fall off in meetings, have seen physical healings in meetings I've attended.

 

3:18 PM: Neumann says Jesus never went to a doctor.

That's cuz he's Jesus!!  Duh!!

 

3:21 PM: Neumann is again reading from scriptures to explain why he believes God directed him not to seek traditional medical treatment.

 

3:42 PM: Neumann testifies in every instance Jesus healed, he never directed anybody to go to the doctor.

Is this because Jesus was the one healing?!?!

 

4:15 PM: Dale testifies that in the months prior to her death, there were no signs of diabetes or illness.

 

4:17 PM: Dale testifies that Saturday morning back in March of 2008 was the first time he noticed any signs.

 

4:37 PM: Dale testifies that on Sunday morning... he thought Kara improved, thinking whatever this is will "burn" out of Kara.

Let me tell you, the only thing burning at any point was that girl's thirst because her blood sugar was so incredibly high!  If diabetes just "burned" out by prayer, mine would have gone away years ago!!

 

4:55 PM: Dale testifies that he did not think she would die if they didn't take her to a doctor... he says death wasn't even on his mind.

But in the future, should you get to be a free man, if your kids get sick - what will you do?  Pray or take them to a doctor?

 

5:06 PM: Dale says when asked if there is anything else he would like the jury to know, "Why would I in a moment of crisis, go to anyone" but the Lord.

 

5:05 PM: Dale cries while reading Scripture

 

5:12 PM: Dale testifies that he has no trust in man.

 

5:44 PM: Dale testifies that losing his daugher was very hard.

But not compared to that police interview which was "one of the hardest days of your life"??

 

5:49 PM: Dale is off the stand.

 

6:10 PM: Defense rests.

 

I was able to see a short video clip on the news tonight from part of his testimony.  All I could think was....OMG.  He looked like a crazed maniac, and he would have been better off pleaing not guilty by reason of mental defect - he would have had me convinced for sure!  In watching Leilani's testimony (video clips) and him on the stand, I can say that while they both seem like whack jobs, she was far more composed.  He came off like a total lunatic.  If you go to WSAW.com, you may be able to find a clip.  There might be one floating around on the Associated Press, but I'm not sure.  All I know is that I was blown away, and if I were a juror, I would have had to surpress laughter. 

 

From what I understand, closing arguments are tomorrow morning, and there could be a verdict as early as tomorrow afternoon!  So for those of you who are sick of hearing about this, it's almost over.  Until sentencing, that is!  And appeal courts.  I didn't blog nearly as much during Leilani's trial, and I wish I had - but I was finishing up school and graduating, so this time around I wanted to follow this thing "right".  Here's hoping a guilty verdict is to follow!