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Pope: Abortion, gay marriage among world's greatest threats


Pope Benedict XVI participates at the traditional annual mass at Fatima's Sanctuary in Portugal on May 13. The mass marked the anniversary of the day in 1917 when three shepherd children reported to have seen the first of a series of apparitions of the Virgin Mary, turning the Portuguese village into one of the biggest draws for the Roman Catholic faithful.

FATIMA, Portugal (AP) —
Pope Benedict XVI on Thursday called abortion and same-sex marriage some of the most "insidious and dangerous" threats facing the world today, asserting key church teachings as he tried to move beyond the clerical abuse scandal.
Benedict made the comments to Catholic social workers, health providers and others after celebrating Mass before an estimated 400,000 people in Fatima. The central Portuguese farming town is one of the most important shrines in Christianity, where three shepherd children reported having visions of the Virgin Mary in 1917.

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My Comment: Really? I would think that it would be grown mostly old men raping and molesting little girls and boys in the name of Christ. I would think that it would be poverty,hunger, lack of education, wars, over zealous extremist of any religion.Women and children sex trade.Your telling me, that although you may believe being gay is a sin, but none the less 2 people professing love and commitment to each other is one of the worlds greatest threats, wow is his mind perverted.We could probably lessen the amount of abortions if we had education in general and reproductive education and prevention of pregnancy was up on the list of needful things a country should do for it's people. No Mr. Pope, your priorities are really screwed..
for what it is worth.

I have great problems with this. If it becomes law, and you have a miscarriage 'not' intentional you will have to be investigated each time to see whether or not you committed a murder. My daughter had 4 miscarriages all extremely disappointing to her, and under this law she would have to be investigated to see whether or not it was intentional or not just think of the emotional trauma added to what they are already going through.............wow, this is way over the line, what do you all think?
blessed be





House OKs bill to criminalize intentional miscarriages
Poll » Utahns split on whether to allow prosecution of women seeking illegal abortions.
By Cathy McKitrick

The Salt Lake Tribune

Updated: 01/29/2010 07:06:25 PM MST


A bill that would criminalize an intentional miscarriage cleared the House on Friday in a 59-12 vote and now goes to the Senate.

Rep. Carl Wimmer sponsored HB12 in response to a widely publicized incident in Vernal, when a pregnant minor paid someone to beat her in hopes of causing a miscarriage.

Current statute made it impossible to charge the 17-year-old girl with a crime, a "loophole" that the Herriman Republican aims to close.

In fact, Wimmer feels so strongly about prosecuting women in such cases that he included a provision that, if HB12 receives a two-thirds majority vote in both the House and Senate, the measure would take effect as soon as Gov. Gary Herbert adds his signature.

"This is the type of crime that needs to get on the books immediately," Wimmer said.

HB12 exempts legal abortions that are medical procedures that take place under a physician's care.

The measure was amended Friday to prevent a woman from being prosecuted if a physician performing an abortion fails to give her information. It also was amended to prevent a woman who miscarries from being prosecuted under the measure.

Speaking from personal experience, Rep. Rebecca Chavez-Houck, D-Salt Lake City, thanked Rep. Phil Riesen, D-Holladay, for his miscarriage amendment.

"When you go through the pain of losing a wanted child, you always question whether there was something you couldn't have done -- or something that you did

-- to make you have a happy outcome," Chavez-Houck said, her voice cracking with emotion.

Rep. Christine Johnson, D-Salt Lake City, spoke passionately against the bill, which she said targets one isolated incident.

"This bill does something horrible," said Johnson, a single mother and lesbian who is carrying a child for a gay couple.

"Six-thousand women lose their babies every year through no fault of their own," Johnson said, concerned that HB12 could worsen an already traumatic event. "An overly unhappy father, disappointed at the loss of his child, with one phone call to police could make that woman subject to interrogation."

Rep. Brian King, D-Salt Lake City, also voiced opposition to the bill.

"What we've seen here in Vernal is on outlier," King said. "I have concerns about whether we're on terrain that is unduly intrusive into people's private lives."

A Salt Lake Tribune poll found that a plurality of Utahns oppose repealing the current prohibition on prosecuting a woman for seeking or obtaining an illegal abortion.

Of the 625 registered voters questioned, 46 percent said they would oppose repealing the law that says a woman cannot be prosecuted for such activity. At the same time, 39 percent supported such a change and 15 percent were undecided.

In a phone interview Friday, poll respondent and Ogden resident Jayne McComb argued in favor of leaving the law as it is.

"How can someone tell you what you can and cannot do with your body," said McComb, a Mormon and a Republican. "It's your decision and your life."

Poll participant Bret Smith -- a Catholic and Democrat from Draper -- described himself as "definitely pro-choice" but said he supports Wimmer's legislation and believes women should be held liable in such cases.

"There's a humane way of doing it and an inhumane way," Smith said of terminating an unwanted pregnancy. "If you're going to do it, do it legally."

Wimmer, often vocal against big government, saw no conflict with that ideology and HB12.

"You won't find anyone on this floor who wants a smaller, lesser government than myself," Wimmer said.

"However, the proper role of government," Wimmer added, "as outlined in the Declaration of Independence, is to protect those inalienable rights, among them life."

so the needle woman came through and 50 new needles arrived yesterday. It was also the day I went through the ikea agony to get the small shadow box frames which are the best deal available until I either learn how to make them myself or rope the spousal unit into making some but just between us he sucks at glass cutting. amazing with wood. but glass? hahahah.


my current series are book pillows. small fluffed silk pillows with small books or shapes symbolically represent the book sit on the pillow. this arrived after the larger gossamer Collete book I made. So far I have finished  The Gold Bowl, working on Middlemarch, American Pastoral and  one that is lovely and oddly did not start with the world.... maybe it will be Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged. oh if you knew me you would understand why that is funny.

Here's an offer to Conservatives and Republicans:

If the Democrats extend their hand to ban abortion, nation wide, then the Republicans must NEVER vote against bills that extend welfare to women, children, and ALL victims of Capitalism.

Will you conservatives agree? I can answer it for you. You won't.