The more I learn in Global Studies the more I realize how much I don't know about the world or my own country.

The Vietnam War, or as they call it, the American War, is still highly debatable. Pretty much I came to the conclusion that the US jumped into Vietnam's business to stop them from being communist… because we
care and want to spread democracy so that all the Vietnamese have a say in their government?

No, the US is not an angel. Looks to me like they wanted to stop communism in Vietnam to keep it from spreading in Asia because that would close off the free trade market or hinder it…

It's all about the money, it always is. But that's my opinion.  I went to the War Rembrandts Museum and I thought they did a pretty good job at trying to show the horridness of the war for both the Vietnamese and Americans. There were pictures of napalm victims and American soldiers "hanging out" and camp, and all kinds of things. A very broad coverage of the war. They even had a cell for display to show where the Vietcong kept there Vietnamese and American prisoners.

I guess I should give a brief overview of the war… in case you know as little about it as I did. (Maybe I should post my very detailed Global
Studies notes!)

I'll be brief.

The Vietnamese came under French rule in 1858. This is basically around the time when France, Britain, and any other European country with ships and guns tried to take over as many countries as they could. Basically the entire world nonwestern world came under some kind of rule by one or another European bully.

Anyway, they fought them off in like 1942 and then the Japanese came to conquer them. When Japan hit bottom at the end of World War II, the French came back. The Vietnamese kicked their buts big time in 1954. So according to Murphy, Franklin Roosevelt was going to let Vietnam be under their own rule, but when Truman stepped in he had other plans.

He wanted to build and maintain an independent noncommunist Vietnam…which meant instead of honoring the free election (which Ho Chi Mien would have won) the US decides to support a southern Vietnam power that was catholic and ravishly anti communist.  The problem was that the US was not fighting on familiar turf, and they were not only fighting the regular northern army, but also the
Viet Cong. These were the civilians who supported the North, they were farmers by day and fighters by night. The Viet Cong could have been the lonely farmer you saw out in the rice field or his 15 year old
daughter. The American soldiers couldn't tell who their enemies were, and in my opinion that is one of the main reasons they lost the war and why you hear so many stories of soldiers destroying villages.

Also there were the tunnels. The Chu Chi tunnels are an extensive underground network… the Vietnamese soldiers could live down there for months, they could come up and attack and disappear in seconds. The
tunnels were booby trapped and tiny. Many Americans got stuck in them and special American soldiers were sent to fight in the tunnels for weeks at a time. It's super intense.

Now of course, the tunnels are a tourist attraction, so I got to go in one. There are 3 levels of deepness, the lowest being the smallest tunnels that you have to crawl through on your belly. Some of the top level tunnels are dug out bigger now to fit the big tourists. I have to say I've never been closterphobic before but I was feeling it while I was in there. Maybe it was just from having all this war stuff in my head which freaks me out anyway, but either way while I was in there I just wanted out.

Anyway… The US lost the war and after a century of western control, Vietnam was finally free to govern itself. And they are doing pretty well if you ask me.

 
   

 


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dismh8 on
Re: Vietnam: Yeah, Um, We’re sorry about that.
Yeah, it was about money...The North Vietnamese had none, being communist and the natural resources were all in the democratic southern half of the sub-continent. So who was really making a grab for resources, eh? Ho Chi Minh was a nationalist first, communist second. We were there because we beleived that communism's spread would have dire consequences in the Asian sub-continent. The war WAS lost, due to lack of political will in this country. We allowed an inferior adversary to apply assymetrical guerilla tactics and all too effective propaganda to acheive this. As for Vietnam "doing pretty well" at governing itself? Well...it depends on if you were one of those thrust into hellish "reeducation camps" after the fall of Saigon or whether or not you were one of the ONE MILLION PILES OF SLAUGHGTERED BONES killed by Vietnamese-backed insurgent Pol Pot in his conquest of Cambodia. The domino we were trying to prevent falling DID fall. As for Vietnam's economy...a lot like China's...quite free market so long as the fruits of all the labor go directly to the few running it's government and not to the people who produced it. But then, it's always about the money, right?
sylviesylvie on
Re: Vietnam: Yeah, Um, We’re sorry about that.
Thanks for the quick lesson in history. I took a whole course on that and while it's mostly review, it's always good to know. Plus I learned a few new things. Ever come across information about the Hmong? I am definitely a product of this war that you talk about. Probably my very existence... 
rage4truth on
Re: Vietnam: Yeah, Um, We’re sorry about that.
Rethink it.

 

VietNam really didnt have alot of so-called free trade with the U.S. and would have amounted to a fruit stand on a lonely highway in each state.

 

To understand the advancement of Communism you have to look at the examples given at the Time.  The Soviet Union.

If you want to know more about that, skip the lessons from school and ask someone who actually was an adult in Russia at that time.

 

As for loosing the war, we didn't from a soldiers stand point. Our military could have been in and out of there had it been given proper directives from the top and support from its citizens.

 

One thing you may learn someday is that we had our own Communist insurgency in the United States and still lives in our politics today.

President Reagen ripped the heart and support from it and thats why we have such bitter politicians in todays politics.

They lost their hidden support and foundation.

 

Yes indeed Vietnam is beginning to recover economically but are you sure that they are socially stable?

 

Money?  I don't think so..........

 

 

nomansland on
Re: Vietnam: Yeah, Um, We’re sorry about that.
If you're really so convinced that Vietnam is a worker's paradise, ask the Hmong tribes, who have been harassed and butchered by the Communists for decades.  Go figure, the Communists have pushed the press out of the Hmong territories, and have been harassing and repressing the native people.

Or go to Cambodia, where Marxism's monument (reminiscent of Stalin's Ukraine in the 1930's) was millions of dead civilians, liberated not only from "imperialist repression," but from life itself, en masse. 

Communism is really that bad, and the feared "domino theory" was correct.  Frankly, the world is lucky that more nations didn't collapse to the Communists after Vietnam.  The war wasn't bad, it was handled by idiots in the White House. Unfortunately, the Johnson administration fouled up the war (through micro-management) to the point where Nixon had no choice but to retreat in the face of public frustration and a burgeoning Communist Front on college campuses. 

Was the US spotless? No, but dare to compare apples to apples...the Hmong, South Vietnamese, and Cambodean bodies vs. the dead innocents (killed by the US) in Vietnam.  Come up with your own opinion, not some textbook's or some professor's.  Did we start the war?  No.  We merely kept the North Vietnamese from raping the South for a decade.  If one is to accurately assess the Vietnam war, one must take the time to analyze the whole thing, not just one era of it, and certainly not just the typical leftist rewritten history of the war.
taconite on
Re: Vietnam: Yeah, Um, We’re sorry about that.
Not too hard to run a country, if you can kill off or "re-educate" everyone who disagrees with your style.

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