So what...only government officials can get the sign of respect that deals with how flags are flown?  Cuz I thought the same thing was done for tragedies or maybe I've just not been paying attention.

And no, I'm not asking in defense of having it raised for her.

Were you as upset when they flew flags at half mast for the victims of the VT gun slayings? Because they did then, as well... all over VA and MD. The military bases in the DC, MD, VA area did the same. Did any of the VT victims fit the bill for half-mast flag waving? Or, in my defense, maybe the president or the govenor of all three states,... well, two states and DC called for flags to be raised at half-mast then, and I just missed it.

 

Is the King Center a government entity? Subject to military rules? I think it would suffice to say that they raised their flag at half-mast because she was a immediate member of the very family that helped fund the institution. Though she may not have been terribly important to some, she was very to the King Center.

 

The King family, for some, represents something good that is tied in with the fabric of this country. Do I think flags should wave at half-mast because Yolanda King died? No. But I also don't think the flag should've waved at half-mast because a mentally disturbed student killed... 33 people on VT's campus either,... but I understand why others would want it to.

 

Please make a note:  No one really goes by the rules for the half-mast flag waving.

 

If you're that bothered, write the Georgia governor or the US President and complain.

Please make a note:  No one really goes by the rules for the half-mast flag waving.

 

That seems to be the precise issue that sarcasmsvoice has a problem with. That nobody really goes by the rules. I think it's a shame, myself.

 

I also think it's interesting that sarcasmsvoice is uncharacteristically unsarcastic in this post. Hmm.

 

It's still a very good one. Thank you!

The flags are at half mast at Liberty University, too. Is this shameful?

 

The King Center is not a governmental building.  If Mattress Mack died, the flags on all of the Gallery Furniture stores could fly at half mast WITHOUT breaking flag protocal.

Oh, sheesh -- while the flags are at half mast they'd use it as an excuse -- a "Matress Mac has died!" sale. "Mattress Mac's untimely demise will... SAVE YOU MONEY!"

(I'm sorry.)

-- S

LMAO! Shiny! hahaha! I'd miss him jumping up and down waving fake dollar bills.

Actually yes. Just as shameful. I just didn't read about that. If I had I'd have ranted about that too.

If it's a private university, then they haven't broken protocal.

Maybe you should now. You don't seem to be half as angry about that as you do about Yolanda King.

Let's stop playing and call a,... spade... a spade. Scarasmsvoice seems to have a problem with the breaking of flag protocal for a BLACK woman who is the daughter of a slain civil rights leader, and she doesn't feel this black woman should be honored,... by anyone in any other manner than a simple burrial. Her friends, Al and Jesse and the like, shouldn't even make any kind of comment as to who she was,... to them, quite possibly, and the positive things she did for equality, etc. And those who knew her shouldn't say anything kind about her, because... she was just a black woman any way,... sheeessss, what's all the hype about?

 

We call that hate'n.

Ok. spade a spade. You are small minded and racially insensitive.

You think standing for something is the same as standing against something else.
You think that not wanting a relative noone [famous only because of her father] celebrated as a national hero is a slight against the color of your skin.
You think that if you are upset about an act, but don't list everyone who is a violator, you are not really upset about it.

You are impractical and small. But I'm ok with that. Just wish you could wrap your head around the reality and intricacies of intellectual honesty.

You call me names and I'm small minded? Okay...

What exactly were you standing for when you made the ill comment about someone calling her a princess? Or the possibility of her friends, Jesse and Al, making comments about her life/death? In your blog, it appears that you have an issue with more than jus tthe fact that the King Center (a private institution) flew the American flag at half-mast for Yolanda King (an active board member and contributor of the center),... and THAT was primarily the foundation of my response. You didn't list other "violators" probably because you don't have a problem with them... I wonder why?

 

It's just really interesting how you only have a loud voice when color seems to be involved.

 

When I find intellectual honesty somewhere in your blog, I can assure you, I will try my best to "wrap (my) head around (that) reality."

 

 

 

 

Why do I speak up on color issues? Very simply, because I think color is a poor argument in any political discussion. Because I'm tired of having "white hate" waved in my face over arguments that only boil down to race if the other side takes it there. Because of people who don't seem to want to see reality as it is for all races instead of just the one they are a member of.

I point out the idiocy of the human race, not any particular color. Just there is that one bit of mindsay who thinks anyone who disagrees with their propaganda is a racial slur, and yes that does make me speak up. Invariably it makes me come under the racist label. I am ok with that. I know I'm not. And those who actually read my blogs know I'm not.

To quote Austen: • For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbors, and laugh at them in our turn?

Point of order. I'm not angry at Yolanda King. I'm angry at those who break protocol honoring our national symbols and then have the nerve to title her princess. I'm sorry... I don't live in a monarchy. Get used to me being pissed at American so-called royalty.

"Yolanda was lovely. She wore the mantle of princess, and she wore it with dignity and charm," said the Rev. Joseph Lowery, one of her father's close aides in the civil rights movement.

 

This is one man's view of her. A man who knew her personally. He thought of her as a princess.  Surely you don't think ALL black people thought of her as a princess. 

Why are you saying black people? I didn't even mention race. I'm just as pissed when anyone calls the Kennedys the American royalty. It's disgusting.

It was just ONE MAN who said it.

And an aide who had enough knowledge to know better. Besides, obviously he is not the only one who thinks so as the news article itself played up her supposed "princess-ship".

From the rage incited by me saying calling her that was stupid, it seems easily presupposed that some on Mindsay share that view as well.

Know better than what? Having something to say about a person he cared about? People are saying kind things about Falwell and in my opinion he was a complete jackass. However, I also know that there are people who have fond memories of him.  So what? Have you considered that princess could be a play on her last name?

I suppose it could be. But considering that so many others have termed her family royalty among the freedom movement, do you really think that tune plays?

And about the Aide. Someone who's been in politics that long should know better than to call anyone royalty in Our Democratic Republic. Sorry if I'm pointing out errant stupidity.

If Bush called his family royalty, people would be all over him in a hot minute. "Royal Idiots''. Now that I could get behind

People are already all over Bush so that doesn't count.

 

 I've never heard King's family being called royality. 

 

I'm not exactly sure why an Aide who knew her personally calling her "princess" (which could have been a nickname for her) is "errant stupidity" but, whatever. I think you may be making something out of nothing. If the writer of the article was suggesting she was royalty, that would be something different, but the fact that it was put in quotes tells you it was the opinion of one man.

There's a saying in the movie The Incredibles that if we call everybody super then nobody's really super at all.

 

I'm not complaining over who it is or isn't that the flag is flown at half-mast for. Protocol for flag care was established for a reason, and if it isn't followed then it cheapens the gesture when it is.

 

I think it's a shame that we've gotten so casual about our national colors. I'm not mad because it was lowered for *gasp* a black woman, I'm disappointed that we're getting away from flag protocol and tradition, period.

 

If we aren't going to bother trying to follow it anymore, might as well just get rid of it, right?

Ah the man has hit the nail on the head. Bravo!

Protocal for flag waving is established for governmental facilities, not independent businesses or private residences. I could lower the flag at haf-mast at my own house if my dog died.  The King Center is a non-profit organization founded in 1968. Yolanda king was a board member.  The King Center can fly the flag at half mast if a board member has died.  The post office can not. The Pentagon can not.  No one has gotten away from flag protocal in this case.

 

 

It is considered poor taste to lower a National Symbol for one's dog. Many have died for that symbol and I grieve greatly that it is now considered ok to treat it however one sees fit with little regard for those who bled for it.

The flippancy I have seen heretofor on this issue as well as the arguments raised during this discussion cause me to wonder if Americans have any rememberance or thought to anything other than themselves. Do we no longer recognize the fact that we are not the center of the universe? The Nation as a whole is diminished each time some idiot decides to lower the Stars and Stripes for someone who has so little True national importance.

It is not simply a flag. It is the memory of all those who have perished for this country. It is the Spirit of our nation in visible form. And to decide as an individual that you may choose to lower it whenever it fits your desire debases and sullies it.

Perhaps if so many did not poopoo Patriotism, I would not now be having to instruct the masses on just why this is such a tremendous wrong.

Whether you consider it poor taste or not is of no consequecnce. Your argument was that flag protocal was broken. It was not.

Actually this is in the case when governmental facilities lower their flags (not when they keep them at full mast.) This as you've stated happens when the President or Governor of a state calls for a lowering of the flag. When this happens private residences are encouraged to do so.  However the converse is not true.

 

The principal analogy is bad because if a principal is saying this to a teacher who is ill, it doesn't quite hold up now does it?  If a principal is saying this to a student, then the student has not choice, but to go home. They are required to go home.

And while private residences with flags aren't required to follow these rules, they are encouraged to as a sign of respect.

 

No one in the private sector is required to follow the governor or the president's call for flag lowering.

 

So you typically don't obey your elected officials then?

I follow the law. So yes. (okay, maybe I have a couple of speeding tickets.)  However flag protocal is not a law, it is a suggestion when it comes to the private sector. If it were a requirement or a law then I'd follow it.  But then I'm sure you libertarians would be all over that law like white on rice.  

From the United States flag code as quoted in the post we're currently commenting about:

 

"And while private residences with flags aren't required to follow these rules, they are encouraged to as a sign of respect."

 

So no, nobody has technically gone away from flag protocol. It's also not technically wrong for me to cut in and out of a funeral procession when it's traveling down the Interstate (no really, I read it in the book I studied to take my permit test years ago). But you don't see too many people disrupting funeral processions by darting in and out of one. That's a matter of respect, too.

And no, I did not see sarcasmsvoice quoting the same part of the code before I made my post. Oops.

You cutting in and out of a funeral procession would be disrespectful and probably more so because you'd be violating someone's space in a sense (you would be cutting in front of other people's cars). If you see lowering the flag at a non-profit organization is on par with cutting in and out of a funeral procession, then to each his own.  Her argument was it was against protocal.  My argument was that it wasn't. Period.

This is something I have never understood. Hey, that dead guy isn't going anywhere! I've got shit to do. Move!!

LOL! But it gives a few officers a little extra change on the side.

Yeah, gives them something to do besides cracking skulls!!

It seems as if sarcasmsvoice really has a problem with the fact that the King Center didn't go by the rules. I didn't see a similar post for the VT gunslaying... and there wasn't just complaint about the half-mast, but a little... what... attitude because someone called Yolanda a princess... and some really crude remark noting the fact that she spoke at the American Heart Association and then POSSIBLY died from heart problems,... like she purposely decided to make a mockery of heart issues.

 

If it was JUST about the half-mast flag, I probably wouldn't have written anything. Read the entire blog.

What? You DONT think it's "ironic" that she died after speaking to the Heart association? You need to develop a sense of humor.

And maybe you need to develop sympathy.... along with some other choice things, as well.

It is ironic,..very,  but that wasn't the point of my response.

If it was just the "precise issue that sarcasmsvoice has a problem with", why not mention ALL the other times the flag was raised at half-mast? Because there are quite a handfull, other than the flag for Yolanda King. It was a gripe about Yolanda King having a flag raised at half-mast for her, not just a flag being raised at half-mast for someone she thinks it shouldn't be raised for.

 

She may have been uncharacteristically unsarcastic, but she seemed suspiciously... disturbed by the blackness of it all.

Actually it had nothing to do with Yolanda king, except the irony of how she died [which I found almost comically funny] coincided with an idiot terming her princess and then misusing flag protocol.

I really couldn't care less if she was black, white, or albino. Which is my point in why your immediately jumping this as a race issue is so....small minded. Perhaps your own racial prejudice and insensitivity is making you super-impose it on everyone else.

Hear hear Gunner!

 

Yeah, that's right. I'm just gonna call you Gunner now because I don't feel like typing all of that name. Pick a better abbreviation if you like.

 

Your last paragraph really hits the nail on the head. Agreed.

 

Hope the plowing is going all right for you. You aren't getting behind schedule are ya?

That's the neat thing, there is no schedule.  Yet I'm always behind...

Oops...never attack a sacred cow, even if the truth is on your side.  LOL  

Yeah. Guess I'll never learn.