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Voted!
Thanks. I'm so terribly tired of people who are inoculated against the truth. I keep hoping they will prove to be honest with themselves, but they always go out of their ways to be mentality sedated.
I heard the phrase "poverty of mind" aimed at them earlier today. I like that.
Roman legions subdued and subjegated by ancestors 2200 years ago, but I still buy Pizza. It's all good.
YES!
Yes, can I get a large Slavery with a slice of Provolone and uuuuh...yeah uh how about some Pepperoni and can you throw in a slice of lions with the Christians?
lion meat is extremely lean and chewy. I know,I ate one.
voted.
I didn't get caught up on her view of the "race card" so much... I mean, the entire post is falls into the fallacy of the "just world", that, since the world is a just place, and all things are fair and equal, that some how the poor, undereducated, unemployed, and homeless have made themselves that way by choice or some error of their own. I can agree with "putting blame where blame is due" but that isn't what is going on here.
Not EVERYTHING is within the control of man. However, a lot of societal nonsense is- on the individual level. I am sorry if you misunderstood my rant to be all inclusive in the sense that everything seems to be in the control of man, because that is not the case.
Well, the thing is, we only have your words to go by. We cant, and shouldnt, figure out what you were TRYING to say. We can only go by what you said. And from the way your rant was worded, it did come off to me as all-inclusive. I dont try and figure out what people mean, because thats assuming and projecting. The reason it was ill-received by some is because your rant came from a place of a "just world", as Jesse put it. Maybe that wasnt your intention, but thats how it was worded: As if everyone is given the exact same opportunities and challenges, but some people are just too lazy to take them, or overcome them.
Well, last time I checked, anyone who is below poverty level is eligible for a Pell grant for school, get job training, housing assistance, food stamps and anything else to survive while attempting to better ones self regardless of race, religion or gender.
I'm not below poverty level. I'm not eligible for any government assistance whatsoever, yet my husband and I live from paycheck to paycheck. I'm not blaming anyone for that. But the fact remains, we have no money and crappy insurance. I have 3 major illnesses that prevent me from working. I cant get better healthcare because I cant work, and I cant work because I have lousy healthcare. Again, my fault, but the fact still remains that my situation is nearly impossible to rectify.
So lets recap. 3 major illnesses, ineligible for government assistance, unable to work. Yep, sounds to me like i'm being given opportunity after opportuniy to overcome my health crises, but i'm just too lazy to take them.
While I can sympathize with your situation, I can point out the following (and do not get offended as I am doing this objectively)
A) cut out the unnecessary spending, thus freeing up a little more money.
B) If you cant go back to school or go back to work, I am sure your husband can. There are plenty of interesting fields out there that have a shortage of skilled workers who pay very good wages.
C) budget and plan better.
D) remember that sometimes sacrificing pays off in the long run.
E) If you genuinely have 3 major illnesses and crap insurance, why not apply for SSDI and thus get Medicaid? While not providing a lot of money, it still gives you more money than sitting there unable to do anything else, and it is better health care than most insurances.
Call me cold hearted, unsympathetic, or whathaveyou. That is not my intent. In my opinion, we the people pay for the programs in place, so when they are needed, we should use them to better our situations. That does not mean abuse them, (like the morbidly obese people who sit at home and eat McDonalds every day, do not exercise and get 2 grand a month for disability) (or people who pop out another child every year to gain more money on their federal income tax return)
A) cut out the unnecessary spending, thus freeing up a little more money.
B) If you cant go back to school or go back to work, I am sure your husband can. There are plenty of interesting fields out there that have a shortage of skilled workers who pay very good wages.
C) budget and plan better.
D) remember that sometimes sacrificing pays off in the long run.
E) If you genuinely have 3 major illnesses and crap insurance, why not apply for SSDI and thus get Medicaid? While not providing a lot of money, it still gives you more money than sitting there unable to do anything else, and it is better health care than most insurances.
Call me cold hearted, unsympathetic, or whathaveyou. That is not my intent. In my opinion, we the people pay for the programs in place, so when they are needed, we should use them to better our situations. That does not mean abuse them, (like the morbidly obese people who sit at home and eat McDonalds every day, do not exercise and get 2 grand a month for disability) (or people who pop out another child every year to gain more money on their federal income tax return)
I wasnt offended in the least. What is interesting is that you assumed I hadnt already done these things in the first place, or arent currently doing them.
A) I would have to free up thousands of dollars. Cutting back on a thing here or there isnt going to change a thing.
B)The husband works and has a great job. He could get another job that would work him to death so that we could have more money, but I am not his charge. I am not his repsonsibility. He didnt sign up for this when we married, and i'd blow my head off before I put him in a position to where he would have to suffer right along with me. I am not that sort.
C) We do.
D) We'll skip that for arguements sake.
E) I've gone that route.
"A) I would have to free up thousands of dollars. Cutting back on a thing here or there isnt going to change a thing."
Butting in(I'm allowed, I'm armed!)... There's an older guy, a sheep farmer and proprietor of a B&B, who I do odd jobs for from time to time, and he happens to be a retired economics teacher. He's also one of the few people I've met who has managed to turn a profit, albeit a small one, from small scale agriculture. He and I have different enough views that we can discuss just about anything with interesting results and a lively conversation, but one thing he and I agree on is that even if it doesn't seem like much, putting aside a few dollars out of every paycheck adds up, and it's a little bit more security than you had the week before. Sure, it won't cover you if you need a new roof, or the car dies completely, but if you've got a hundred bucks saved up and the alternator goes, at least you won't have to starve for a week to pay for the parts to get your car running again. Every little bit helps. We're not talking high finances, because, let's face it, we're all in a pickle, even if its just a different one. Everyone involved in this particular conversation is adrift in high seas. Everyone needs the proverbial change jar.
Butting in(I'm allowed, I'm armed!)... There's an older guy, a sheep farmer and proprietor of a B&B, who I do odd jobs for from time to time, and he happens to be a retired economics teacher. He's also one of the few people I've met who has managed to turn a profit, albeit a small one, from small scale agriculture. He and I have different enough views that we can discuss just about anything with interesting results and a lively conversation, but one thing he and I agree on is that even if it doesn't seem like much, putting aside a few dollars out of every paycheck adds up, and it's a little bit more security than you had the week before. Sure, it won't cover you if you need a new roof, or the car dies completely, but if you've got a hundred bucks saved up and the alternator goes, at least you won't have to starve for a week to pay for the parts to get your car running again. Every little bit helps. We're not talking high finances, because, let's face it, we're all in a pickle, even if its just a different one. Everyone involved in this particular conversation is adrift in high seas. Everyone needs the proverbial change jar.
If youre talking to me, about the butting in thing, you should know youre always welcome to respond to me!
The thing is, we ARE putting aside money...but its for something else more immediately needed than my health. I'm not going to die within the next couple months so I can wait. But this other...thing...it cant wait. So after that is paid off, I can work on the healthcare aspect. (I kinda blew "A" off. I didnt want to get into it up there ^^ because its a private matter.)
And thank YOU as well for the encouragement. Its truly appreciated.
I know how it goes...
Ugh i'm a shit. I didnt even say thank you for your suggestions!
Thank you. 
If more people had someone to offer suggestions like that, maybe things wouldnt seem so hopeless for them sometimes.
I just want to make sure you understand that I am really not trying to be a bitch or anything. I really feel for you, because it is a shitty position that you are in. So please do not think that I am trying to make it seem like you have not done anything- I am sure that you have tried.
Oh no way! There was nothing bitchy about your reply whatsoever, I appreciated it very much, and i'll tell you why. People just want to yell and carry on about people not doing anything to help themselves, yet they never offer any solutions. But you did, and thats what sets you apart from others who just wanna bitch and add to the problem.
Yes, but the people who are living one cent above the poverty level and are working their asses off are not eligable for public assistance. As far as a Pell grant goes, if you've had crappy education in the beginning, chances are you aren't going to college. Jesse mentioned the differences between public schools in lower income areas vs. public schools in middle class / upper middle class areas. When I worked with "at risk" high school kids some of them had jobs after school because they had to contribute to their household, not because they wanted extra spending money. I knew one kid who had to pick up his elementary aged siblings, help them with their homework and wait until his aunt came home at 5:30. He worked from about six to midnight at Wendy's. He barely had time to do his homework. The kid was always tired. The sad thing is that there were other kids just like him.
Another issue is how some children never see their parents because they are always working. This definitely effects their education.
Uh, kinda sounds like my situation. It sucks, but you can beat it if you have the will to survive. If you keep pushing hard enough AND play your cards right, that phase of your life can end happily.
My kids barely see me, and will see even less of me starting in January, but once I get my degree, they'll be better off, so it's a sacrifice I have to make short-term for a long-term gain.
My kids barely see me, and will see even less of me starting in January, but once I get my degree, they'll be better off, so it's a sacrifice I have to make short-term for a long-term gain.
At least your wife is there to, so they see somebody.
I'm glad you are getting your degree. 
She is there, I suppose. At least they have someone to park them in front of the TV. It's sad, but true.
I'm excited about getting back to school, though.
I'm excited about getting back to school, though.
Congratulations on getting back into school. I am sure you will do quite well in your studies and will continue to serve as a good role model for your family.
I'm sorry , but I have to comment on this statement, because I know for a fact that it is false. I went to school, and I am under poverty level(both in the state I live in and the federal poverty level). I was not eligible for a Pell Grant. My sister, who lives in another state, cannot get food stamps even though her husband is a Vet, because they only have one child and although they live below poverty level, they were told that because they are not immigrants in need of immediate assistance, they would have to go on a waiting list. My husband and I cannot get housing assistance, because he makes $200.00 too much a month for us to receive it. He and I both work, and he and I live from paycheck to paycheck. We don't have extras in our lives. We have two kids that have to be fed, clothed and a have a roof over their heads, hence the reason that we don't have extras. Another sister of mine was dropped from the housing assistance list because someone reported that they suspected that she had someone living with her that was not on her lease(which she didn't) and instead of the housing authority checking it out, they were too busy so they dropped her. Just because people are supposed to be able to get help, does not mean that they automatically can.
There are other methods in which to get help when its necessary. Sometimes, maybe you cant go through government assistance. But there are support groups, churches, organizations, and other charities who do help people out who are *just above* the "poverty" line. I have used them myself. There is ALWAYS a viable alternative out there- you just have to take the time to research it.
Well, that is how I read it... that is my bad, I suppose. I'm not trying to judge you, no matter what anyone said, you didn't say anything extreme. It was a rant, it wasn't an essay, or fair and balanced reporting. I just felt it underestimated the reasons that people play "the cards."
Well stated, and thank you.
I consider it my duty and privilege to dive into any discussion where those involved are swept away by bad form. Perhaps one day, I will be able to give that duty to my own daughter. When that happens, I will know that when push came to shove, I have taught her to do the right thing in the face of what is not popular.
And so I defend anyone else who can be an example of that same vein to the rest of the people she will eventually have to deal with. So think nothing of it. And thank you for taking a stand.
And so I defend anyone else who can be an example of that same vein to the rest of the people she will eventually have to deal with. So think nothing of it. And thank you for taking a stand.
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