Finding a community as an atheist in church

Despite rejection of faith's tenets, UT teacher finds comfort in Christianity


SPECIAL TO THE AMERICAN-STATESMAN
Saturday, June 06, 2009

At the root of Robert Jensen's new book, "All My Bones Shake: Seeking a Progressive Path to the Prophetic Voice," is a longing for community and for meaning, two universal human pursuits.

Jensen, a decidedly secular leftist who teaches journalism at the University of Texas, happened to find both a few years ago in a mainline Protestant church in North Austin. His convictions revolved around anti-war, feminist, anti-capitalist movements, but to him, the left seemed dead without a community that could lend deeper meaning to those convictions. And he found himself in a pew on Sunday mornings.

OK, so the church was the very liberal and radically welcoming St. Andrew's Presbyterian, but it was still surprising to many when Jensen joined. He raised more eyebrows (and the ire of many traditional Christians) shortly after, when he published a newspaper column stating unapologetically that he did not believe in God (never mind the virgin birth, Resurrection or the divinity of Christ) but still thought that he could be considered a Christian.

"All My Bones Shake" is a fascinating account of his church experience: his faith being put on trial in the Presbyterian Church, his sorrow over what he sees as a fallen world, the sense of wholeness he finds in a congregation and a radical reinterpretation of religion.

Political and religious conservatives likely will dismiss Jensen outright. Moderates might write him off because they don't identify with his radical politics. Secularists might roll their eyes at his church talk.

But in a country that continually struggles to neatly fit together the puzzle pieces of religion and politics, Jensen's perspective is worth hearing.

He is, after all, traveling a path familiar to many people. How often are we wrangling over what makes a real Christian? Over biblical interpretations? Over the application of religious tenets to today's world?

I spoke to Jensen recently just after he returned from a trip to South Africa. Folks there, he said, put a high premium on ubuntu, the concept that people become fully human by living within a community and recognizing the humanity of others.

In his mind, that's crucial in trying to address problems such as racism, imperialism, sexual exploitation, environmental destruction and economic injustice.

And I remembered something Jensen told me a few years ago over coffee. The left, he said, needed community. St. Andrew's offered that, as he writes in the book, through speakers, film screenings and organizational meetings.

Initially, he attended the church as an atheist who participated in events but kept his distance from the religious components. In 2005, the pastor, the Rev. Jim Rigby, asked Jensen to deliver a sermon. Afterward, Jensen felt the urge to return to the pulpit and lead the congregation in the Lord's Prayer. It was then he discovered a greater depth of meaning in his relationship with St. Andrew's.

He had found a church where the pastor was in "constant struggle for the truth, for the meaning" of his religious tradition, where belief evolved, where it was OK to question the divinity of Christ and to define God simply as "mystery."

Jensen says he's realistic about the way the world works and the daunting problems for which there is no ready solution. But he also has developed a faith in the role the church can play in taking on those challenges.

"I joined a Christian church to be part of that hope for the future, to struggle to make religion a force that can help usher into existence a world in which we can imagine living in peace with each other and in sustainable relation to the non-human world," Jensen writes. "Such a task requires a fearlessness and intelligence beyond what we have mustered to date, but it also requires a faith in our ability to achieve it.

"That's why I am a Christian."

(http://www.statesman.com/services/content/life/stories/faith/06/06/0606flynn.html?cxtype=ynews_rss)

nyourface: I think it is entirely possible for a person to be a follower of the teachings of Jesus without the  poison of religion or the belief in God. Many people claim to be Christian but don't follow his teachings at all. It might just be a refreshing change!
 
   

 


 
 
neverlosefaith on
Re: Can a Christian be an atheist?
i will be honest i didn't read the whole thing, but what i did read i some what agree with.  i believe that the christian "religion" is a good set of morals to follow and that anyone can do it and the church should be loving and accepting of them.  i think the part where i would differ is when you call your self an atheist and a christian. a christian is not just a member of the church club, though some think so, a christian (or what a christian should be) is someone who believes that Jesus died for their sins and realizes that they need him.  if you like what i say or are curious about what i'm saying i have a post that has 3 verses that i think accuratly summerize what a christian should be.  i hope to hear from you soon, Allen
nyourfacegrace on
Re: Can a Christian be an atheist?
It was an interesting article. Food for thought.
One could call their self a Christian (of sorts) because they kept his most teachings.They would fall short on several issues such as  "loving God with all their mind , soul and strength", but might earn some brownie points because they kept his sayings. (Luke 6 :40-49). Loving your neighbor as yourself is indeed a difficult saying to keep, but if one did his actions would certainly be deemed "Christ like" , now wouldn't they?
You ask any thug  in jail and most will claim to believe in God and Jesus and they follow none of his teachings but believing. But it's not what you believe that changes a person, it's what you "know" now isn't it?
Sorry, but no curiosity here. I've read the bible up , down and sideways and I know what Jesus said. Was even a "Christian" for most of my life. Think I'll stick to reality. But thanks anyway.
neverlosefaith on
Re: Can a Christian be an atheist?
ok i before i get to into this reply further i read the article after i posted and it is interesting.  anyway as for your response you are very right, for even the demons believe and tremble (james 2:19) and you are very right in saying that it is what you know with your whole heart (by heart i mean the very center of your being) that changes who you are (romans 12:2) but at the same time you are saved by grace, not by works (lest any man should boast)

anyway i feel that you know what you believe and why and even though you will listen to what i say it will not change anything (if i am wrong please correct me) so i suppose we should agree to disagree.  one thing i am curious about however is why do you prefer to "stick to reality" as apossed to believing the bible?  right now i am rethinking much of what i've grown up believing and any extra insights that you could give i'm sure would help considering that like me you grew up in the church (or thats what it sounded like to me at least).  thank you for your time and i look forward to hearing more about this, Allen

nyourfacegrace on
Re: Can a Christian be an atheist?
Thank you for your reply Allen.
There are so many pagan beliefs tied up Christianity. Egyptology, Saternella, Zorosterism..etc....
You see a mix a myth, fable, history and pagan beliefs all rolled together over the centuries. If you ever study with the Jews will see the Torah and New testament do not belong together.
The bible was not put together until 350 years after the death of Jesus. Until that point there were many  scriptures being used by different sects of Christians that varied greatly!
There were many schools of thought. One was that there were 2 Gods. The God of the Torah and the God of the Jesus. Some wanted to drop the Torah all together. Some believed that Jesus had a twin brother, some believed he was married, some believed another took his place on the cross, some believed the scriptures were not to be taken literally at all.
Also, the Apocrypha was part of the bible until the 1800's when it was dropped (except by the Catholic church). So, unless the "holy spirit" was drinking, it wasn't inspired by anything other than men who changed it over and over again and still change it today.
You need to read the "lost scriptures" contained in Nag Hamadi  library research how the bible was compiled.
There are no "original" NT scriptures, all are copies. And early scribes made changes as they saw fit (this can be proved through a comparison of manuscripts). Errors were made then copied, then new errors were made, over and over. Some were errors, some were purposeful.
The Torah was a book about a people. A very superstitious people mind you who had there roots tied to Egypt. Much of their beliefs were birthed from Egyptian belief and other religions they were exposed to. The stories of the flood, and the garden are found in older beliefs such as the "Epic of  Gilgamesh".
The bible didn't fall from heaven. It was written by men from the minds of men. I'm sure some of it is true, I am equally as sure much of it is false.
It contains talking snakes and donkeys, dragons, goat men, unicorns, wizards and witches, dead rising, walking on water, virgin births, half god half man, poetry,infers a flat earth.Kind of a Harry Potter meets  Confusious  book. It is full of errors and contridictions and down right false hoods.
It was my study into the bible it's self that led me to no longer believe.
bahamat on
Re: Can a Christian be an atheist?
I skimmed , I think a good general philosophy is to take the best bits of whatever you can find - religions included - even if they have bad bits, just know what to ignore and salvage whatever we can, like any food for thought that might be mixed in. In life too, a lot more stuff just goes over my head now than used to (now I feel I'm done with some thoughts), but I occasionly pick a new thought out
nyourfacegrace on
Re: Can a Christian be an atheist?
It seems generally that this guy felt a sense of community in the church and the pastor there was more open to questioning than most churches. Though he didn't believe in God, he did believe and agree with most of the teachings of Jesus.
I have a close friend in my area who is the same exact way. But he enjoys the community feel of his church and is glad to have an outlet to help his community.
There really should be more centers for Humanists. 
bahamat on
Re: Can a Christian be an atheist?:
there's an online community for pastafarians! haha made by atheists I think for fun + to make a point
But yea, totally, the church is the only real community place in a lot of cases and it'd be hard to justify making one without religion - so I think things like bars + leisure + social clubs + support services help a bit
nimbo on
Re: Can a Christian be an atheist?
The word Christian doesn't really mean anything. Christians didn't make the word up, non-Christians did.

 
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