
i will be honest i didn't read the whole thing, but what i did read i some what agree with. i believe that the christian "religion" is a good set of morals to follow and that anyone can do it and the church should be loving and accepting of them. i think the part where i would differ is when you call your self an atheist and a christian. a christian is not just a member of the church club, though some think so, a christian (or what a christian should be) is someone who believes that Jesus died for their sins and realizes that they need him. if you like what i say or are curious about what i'm saying i have a post that has 3 verses that i think accuratly summerize what a christian should be. i hope to hear from you soon, Allen
It was an interesting article. Food for thought.
One could call their self a Christian (of sorts) because they kept his most teachings.They would fall short on several issues such as "loving God with all their mind , soul and strength", but might earn some brownie points because they kept his sayings. (Luke 6 :40-49). Loving your neighbor as yourself is indeed a difficult saying to keep, but if one did his actions would certainly be deemed "Christ like" , now wouldn't they?
You ask any thug in jail and most will claim to believe in God and Jesus and they follow none of his teachings but believing. But it's not what you believe that changes a person, it's what you "know" now isn't it?
Sorry, but no curiosity here. I've read the bible up , down and sideways and I know what Jesus said. Was even a "Christian" for most of my life. Think I'll stick to reality. But thanks anyway.
One could call their self a Christian (of sorts) because they kept his most teachings.They would fall short on several issues such as "loving God with all their mind , soul and strength", but might earn some brownie points because they kept his sayings. (Luke 6 :40-49). Loving your neighbor as yourself is indeed a difficult saying to keep, but if one did his actions would certainly be deemed "Christ like" , now wouldn't they?
You ask any thug in jail and most will claim to believe in God and Jesus and they follow none of his teachings but believing. But it's not what you believe that changes a person, it's what you "know" now isn't it?
Sorry, but no curiosity here. I've read the bible up , down and sideways and I know what Jesus said. Was even a "Christian" for most of my life. Think I'll stick to reality. But thanks anyway.
ok i before i get to into this reply further i read the article after i posted and it is interesting. anyway as for your response you are very right, for even the demons believe and tremble (james 2:19) and you are very right in saying that it is what you know with your whole heart (by heart i mean the very center of your being) that changes who you are (romans 12:2) but at the same time you are saved by grace, not by works (lest any man should boast)
anyway i feel that you know what you believe and why and even though you will listen to what i say it will not change anything (if i am wrong please correct me) so i suppose we should agree to disagree. one thing i am curious about however is why do you prefer to "stick to reality" as apossed to believing the bible? right now i am rethinking much of what i've grown up believing and any extra insights that you could give i'm sure would help considering that like me you grew up in the church (or thats what it sounded like to me at least). thank you for your time and i look forward to hearing more about this, Allen
Thank you for your reply Allen.
There are so many pagan beliefs tied up Christianity. Egyptology, Saternella, Zorosterism..etc....
You see a mix a myth, fable, history and pagan beliefs all rolled together over the centuries. If you ever study with the Jews will see the Torah and New testament do not belong together.
The bible was not put together until 350 years after the death of Jesus. Until that point there were many scriptures being used by different sects of Christians that varied greatly!
There were many schools of thought. One was that there were 2 Gods. The God of the Torah and the God of the Jesus. Some wanted to drop the Torah all together. Some believed that Jesus had a twin brother, some believed he was married, some believed another took his place on the cross, some believed the scriptures were not to be taken literally at all.
Also, the Apocrypha was part of the bible until the 1800's when it was dropped (except by the Catholic church). So, unless the "holy spirit" was drinking, it wasn't inspired by anything other than men who changed it over and over again and still change it today.
You need to read the "lost scriptures" contained in Nag Hamadi library research how the bible was compiled.
There are no "original" NT scriptures, all are copies. And early scribes made changes as they saw fit (this can be proved through a comparison of manuscripts). Errors were made then copied, then new errors were made, over and over. Some were errors, some were purposeful.
The Torah was a book about a people. A very superstitious people mind you who had there roots tied to Egypt. Much of their beliefs were birthed from Egyptian belief and other religions they were exposed to. The stories of the flood, and the garden are found in older beliefs such as the "Epic of Gilgamesh".
The bible didn't fall from heaven. It was written by men from the minds of men. I'm sure some of it is true, I am equally as sure much of it is false.
It contains talking snakes and donkeys, dragons, goat men, unicorns, wizards and witches, dead rising, walking on water, virgin births, half god half man, poetry,infers a flat earth.Kind of a Harry Potter meets Confusious book. It is full of errors and contridictions and down right false hoods.
It was my study into the bible it's self that led me to no longer believe.
There are so many pagan beliefs tied up Christianity. Egyptology, Saternella, Zorosterism..etc....
You see a mix a myth, fable, history and pagan beliefs all rolled together over the centuries. If you ever study with the Jews will see the Torah and New testament do not belong together.
The bible was not put together until 350 years after the death of Jesus. Until that point there were many scriptures being used by different sects of Christians that varied greatly!
There were many schools of thought. One was that there were 2 Gods. The God of the Torah and the God of the Jesus. Some wanted to drop the Torah all together. Some believed that Jesus had a twin brother, some believed he was married, some believed another took his place on the cross, some believed the scriptures were not to be taken literally at all.
Also, the Apocrypha was part of the bible until the 1800's when it was dropped (except by the Catholic church). So, unless the "holy spirit" was drinking, it wasn't inspired by anything other than men who changed it over and over again and still change it today.
You need to read the "lost scriptures" contained in Nag Hamadi library research how the bible was compiled.
There are no "original" NT scriptures, all are copies. And early scribes made changes as they saw fit (this can be proved through a comparison of manuscripts). Errors were made then copied, then new errors were made, over and over. Some were errors, some were purposeful.
The Torah was a book about a people. A very superstitious people mind you who had there roots tied to Egypt. Much of their beliefs were birthed from Egyptian belief and other religions they were exposed to. The stories of the flood, and the garden are found in older beliefs such as the "Epic of Gilgamesh".
The bible didn't fall from heaven. It was written by men from the minds of men. I'm sure some of it is true, I am equally as sure much of it is false.
It contains talking snakes and donkeys, dragons, goat men, unicorns, wizards and witches, dead rising, walking on water, virgin births, half god half man, poetry,infers a flat earth.Kind of a Harry Potter meets Confusious book. It is full of errors and contridictions and down right false hoods.
It was my study into the bible it's self that led me to no longer believe.
I skimmed
, I think a good general philosophy is to take the best bits of whatever you can find - religions included - even if they have bad bits, just know what to ignore and salvage whatever we can, like any food for thought that might be mixed in. In life too, a lot more stuff just goes over my head now than used to (now I feel I'm done with some thoughts), but I occasionly pick a new thought out
, I think a good general philosophy is to take the best bits of whatever you can find - religions included - even if they have bad bits, just know what to ignore and salvage whatever we can, like any food for thought that might be mixed in. In life too, a lot more stuff just goes over my head now than used to (now I feel I'm done with some thoughts), but I occasionly pick a new thought outIt seems generally that this guy felt a sense of community in the church and the pastor there was more open to questioning than most churches. Though he didn't believe in God, he did believe and agree with most of the teachings of Jesus.
I have a close friend in my area who is the same exact way. But he enjoys the community feel of his church and is glad to have an outlet to help his community.
There really should be more centers for Humanists.
I have a close friend in my area who is the same exact way. But he enjoys the community feel of his church and is glad to have an outlet to help his community.
There really should be more centers for Humanists.
there's an online community for pastafarians! haha made by atheists I think for fun + to make a point But yea, totally, the church is the only real community place in a lot of cases and it'd be hard to justify making one without religion - so I think things like bars + leisure + social clubs + support services help a bit
The word Christian doesn't really mean anything. Christians didn't make the word up, non-Christians did.
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