I waited a while to calm down before I blogged about this.  And before anyone says I am jumping on the current discrimination/reverse discrimination bandwagon, I am not!  I am goign to tell you about what happened to my boy and myself in the past weeks. 

 

This is the defination of Discriminate found in the dictonary.  Please notice the date it was first introduced into the dictonary

 

  Etymology: Latin discriminatus, past participle of discriminare, from discrimin-, discrimen distinction, from discernere to distinguish between — more at discern Date: 1628
transitive verb1 a: to mark or perceive the distinguishing or peculiar features of b: distinguish, differentiate <discriminate hundreds of colors>2: to distinguish by discerning or exposing differences; especially : to distinguish from another like objectintransitive verb1 a: to make a distinction <discriminate among historical sources> b: to use good judgment2: to make a difference in treatment or favor on a basis other than individual merit <discriminate in favor of your friends> <discriminate against a certain nationality>
 
Now this is what reverse discrinate means.  It was of course added by white folks who do NOT know how to read and fail to realize that one of the definations of discriminate encompases EVERYONE!
 
Please again look at the date! 
Main Entry: reverse discrimination
Date: 1964
: discrimination against whites or males
 
I don't use reverse discrimination when talking about discrimination.  Because simply put, discrimination is discrimination no matter who is doing it.  And on that note let me tell you what has upset me to a point where I am still strongly debating about contacting the Arch Diociese of Omaha and the Accrediation Organization for one of the Tribal Colleges.
 
The first issue was my son.  He didn't get to go down to Omaha to the Joyclin Art Center with his Drum Group.  They gave me a bogus excuse that he was misbehaving during Drum Circle on Monday's and Fridays.  Even the Administrator said that was bogus and if that was the case, then the majority of the boys wouldn't be allowed to go.  The Drum Circle is for all the boys in school, K-8th grade.  And what really torked off Donnie (the school adminstrator) was the fact the priest went along with the Drum Circle Leader on banning my boy from going.  We also came to find out that the lil Kindergardner that wasn't allowed to go either was also banned from going!  He was devasted more so than Coltin because he lives with his Great Grandparents and they don't get out much.  So when I take Coltin on a day trip, we have invited him along so he can go someplace also. 
 
After Donnie and I did a lot of digging to find out the reasons as to why my boy and this other lil boy was banned from going by the Drum leader, it became apparent that it was because Coltin is a full white boy and the lil Kindergardner is 3/4s white.  The Drum Leader is of the Snake Clan.  Now from what I understand of the Snake Clan in the Bago Tradation, is they are NOT Leaders and are NOT to hold any major title and such with in any aspect of the tribe or various tribal workings.  And to be quit honest the majority of them don't they follow tradation as much as possible.  But this particular gentleman decieded that he didn't want a full white boy and a lil 3/4 white boy even though the lil guy is an enrolled member of the Bago tribe to be seen at this fund raiser!  And what I find extermly funny is one of DeLaney's class mates and his older brother's are 3/4s white also even though they look full indian!  How do I know this?  Well their mom is half white and their dad is full white!  But they got to go even though they are the lil trouble makers of the school and the drum circle because they were related to the Drum Circle leader!  Donnie the school administrator is half Omaha and half white so he completely understands why my boy and this lil guy was extermly upset!  He has been discriminated against by non indians and indians alike! 
 
My mom is on her Church Board and informed some of her church members (where my kids also go to mass and is apart of the Mission and the Mission School) and a couple of  the board members (which Donnie is on also) took MAJOR offense to the fact my boy and the lil guy wasn't allowed to go.  A couple of the older members both none indian and indian took it up with their Priest who realized he better take it up with the Head Priest at the Mission.  My boy and the lil guy have yet to recieve an apology but the older indian ladies and the older none indian ladies have managed to convience the head preist who went along with the drum circle leader that he will be coming up with some money so Donnie, his wife, Randy, and I can take Coltin and the lil guy out for a day on the Missioin's Dime.  And my mom rather enjoyed with her older indian lady friend who is the priesdent of the church board in Bago, the dressing down that a 94 year old indian man from the Macy parish gave the Head Priest for allowing the Drum Circle Leader to be out right discrimintory towards two young men of the communities who are both being taught that everyone bleeds the same!  We even had a couple of middle age men and women who are Asian from the Homer Mission Parish get in on the dressing down of the Priests and Drum Circle Leader!  They are donating some treats for our day out when we can get it planned and get the lil guy's great grandparents to agree to it!  Cathy, Donnie's wife and Mission Secratary/School Secratary, and I are more excited for the treats I think!  One of the couples donating the treats owns an Asian Bakery in the city and that is what the treats will be!
 
Now on to what happened to me just in this last week.  The college I have been strongly debating about going to is a Tribal college.  It is accredited and only a two year college but a lot of people both none indian and indian alike go here.  Which means since they are accredited they are held to the same standards as public colleges and recieve public and gov't funding!  Well about 10 years ago they redid the majority of their small campous and when they did this, they included a library.  A library that is also the town's public liberary.  Well my girl Tab and I decieded that we had some time to kill before we pickedu p my kids last week from school to go get library cards and check out some books.  They even had a HUGE sign outside of the building and a smaller sign in the builddingthat said "Public Welcome to Get Library Cards."  Well I picked out a couple of books that I didn't want to buy but wanted to read and attempted to get a library card. 
 
Before I go much further:  "IF YOU IMMIGRATE TO THIS COUNTRY GREAT!  PLEASE PLEASE BEFORE YOU TAKE A COMMUNITY SERVICE OR CUSTOMER SERVE TYPE JOB, LEARN TO ENNOUCEATE YOUR WORDS WITH YOUR ACCENT!  IT DRIVES ME AND YOU BATTY WITH ME OR YOU CONSTANTLY ASKING WHAT THE OTHER IS SAYING!"  Thank you!
 
The lady refused me a library card!  I asked her why.  She left the station and went into the Library Director's office and came back and asked me a seris of questions. 
 
 Are you an enrolled member of any Indian tribe? 
 
Me:  Do I looke indian to you?
 
yes.
 
Me.  Well, no I am not indian nor am I an enrolled member of any tribe.
 
Do you work in Bago?
 
Me.  No.  Why.
 
I can not give you a libary card then.
 
Me.  Why?
 
Because you are not a indian and you do not work in bago.
 
me.  my kids go to school here and i live on one of the two reservation communities and have my entire life minus a few years.
 
I am sorry.  The library is for only enrolled members of tribes and for none indians who work in bago.
 
Me.  I see so your discriminating against me due to the fact i am not indian and i do not work in bago is that correct
 
Yes.  I am sorry and I actually don't agree with it.
 
Me.  Then I guess I won't be going to school here next year like I was planning on it.  Thank you.
 
My girl Tab is enrolled member of the Omaha tribe.  She heard the by play of what happened.  Put her book down and walked into the Director's Office and promptly told them off for being bigets, racists, and assholes.  And that she was also thinking about returning to school to the college next year when I did and now she will NOT and she will also inform the Omaha Tribe of how the Bago Tribe is NOW discriminating against EVERYONE and not just Omaha people.  And walked right on out, while the director of the library was trying to inform her that she was more than welecomed to recieve a library card.
 
I was LIVID!  I calmed down a few days later and when I did, I contacted teh President of the newly elected Bago Tribal Council and informed them what was going on up at that college.  I also contacted the CEO of a major Tribal company and left a message.  I know the CEO through our family's even though I don't know him personally.  His assistant got back to me took down what happened and Lance passed on his thoughts and what happened to the Tribal President also and the College President.  See the CEO is half white and is also enrolled in the Bago Tribe.  He gets it both ways like Donnie the school administrtor that my kids go to school at.  The Tribal Council President knows my mom so she went and talked to my moms.  Got some input there and then called me that evening.  The College isn't going to like some of the new policies that the new president of the tribal council is going to suggest.  Meaning if it says open to the Public it is going to mean the entire reservation communities public!  Indian, White, Black, Asian, Hispanic, Purple, Pink, or Blue!  And if they can't take everyone's money for a library card then the sign will come down that says Public welcomed and go back to being just a Tribal College Library for the students only!
 
See discrimination happens to all races by all races.  There is NO SUCH THING as reverse discrimation.  Stop using words that men have put int he dictonary that means the same thing for all races! 
 
   

 


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daenarys on
Re: Reverse Discrimination is Discrimination
You do realize that most of the time when people use the term reverse discrimination its about the only way we can convey exactly what we are saying insofar as the type of discrimination that is happening right?
The difference really between the terms is really simple....

discrimination means  exactly what your dictionary definition means...

reverse discrimination actually means being discriminated against by the folks who were originally discriminated against. It does not mean color, though some fool made mention that it had to be white.... which kinda irks me.

I agree that discrimination is still discrimination- but that would be the only reason I can see reverse discrimination working.
niassa on
Re: Reverse Discrimination is Discrimination
Yep I do realize that is how a lot of folks use reverse discrimination.  And for a while I use to be one of them, until I went and read the definations of both.  I agree that if they would actually have the defination you use for reverse discrimination in the dictionary I think more court cases would use that term in their defense.

 

velvetdreams on
Re: Reverse Discrimination is Discrimination
OK ... admitting complete ignorance about local tribal government ... This is a very interesting tale.  Whatever happened with Colton and the lil guy? 

 

Truly, there are all kinds of discrimination and not all of them have to do with race.  There is also body discrimination against those of us who are  ... plump, shall we say.  There is age discrimination ... gender discrimination ...

 

All discrimination is involves making note of differences and treating people differently BECAUSE of those differences.  All "reverse" discrimination means is that the differential treatment is done by those most often discriminated against.  So, if I'm a fat lady and cannot get work because I don't LOOK the part, that's discrimination.  If I, as that fat lady, only hang out with people who are fat, and refuse to befriend a thin person, that is "reverse" discrimination ... at least as I understand it.    But yes, discrimination is still discrimination.

niassa on
Re: Reverse Discrimination is Discrimination
Coltin and the lil guy are waiting for Donnie the school administrator to talk his great grandparents into letting us two couples take the boys out for a day trip.  The Mission has to foot the bill since they footed the bill to go to the Art Center for the rest of the Drum Circle.

 

I understand where "reverse discrimination" defination comes from.  I refuse to use it in that context because discrimination is discrimination regardless of who is doing it. 

tchmymnd on
Re: Reverse Discrimination is Discrimination
I agreem discrimination is discrimination period. I wish our schools here would understand that! And quit allowing the white kids to be discriminated against. The excuse? Theres more of them. The highschools my boys go to, is mostly hispanic, How can that be an excuse?

I'm sorry you AND your boy had to go through this garbage.
niassa on
Re: Reverse Discrimination is Discrimination
Thank you and a lot of it is because the schools and businesses are to afraid of lawsuites by one group of people or another.  So those of us who cause no problems and see the majority of folks as equals regardless of race, gender or religion get the fall out over it.  It sucks but discrimination has been around for ages and will stick around for ages.
tchmymnd on
Re: Reverse Discrimination is Discrimination
Yep you are right!
diannamo on
Re: Reverse Discrimination is Discrimination
That is your opinion and I usually do what I want to do, regardless of criticism and that is what makes me different than you. 
niassa on
Re: Reverse Discrimination is Discrimination
I have no clue what you are talking about besides your opinion being mine and your opinion being yours.  And I am not sure exactly what your opinon is to tell you the truth. 

 

I do what I do when I ever I want.  Usually gets me in trouble but I do it and say what I want because that is the type of person I am.  I am in agreement with you there.

diannamo on
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wonderingsoul on
Re: Reverse Discrimination is Discrimination
Thank you for sharing this with all of us....I'm really sad to see that you and your son, and the other boy, were very clearly discriminated against.  It happens to everyone....like VelvetDreams said, there is discrimination against those who are "plump" - or even too thin, gender discrimination, religious discrimination, ageism, I don't think there is a single person on this Earth that hasn't been discriminated against in some way.  Unfortunately, people seem to have preconceived ideas about what discrimination is.
niassa on
Re: Reverse Discrimination is Discrimination
I agree.  You know it took me a long to realize that I was even considered a "plump" person until I got to college where all these lil "burb" barbies were at.  I knew I was always heavily muscled and of course I had the typical highschool anex of "I am FAT!"  Yay right I was HOT! 

 

I went off on a couple of the "burbs" as I called them and point blank said your the one with eating disorders I am NOT.  I am built like the HOT SEXY Back in the day Models.  Where they had meat on their bones and curves!  Sure I am thicker now but I am still HOT!  And what is really sad, is I have friends that are naturally very small boned, small of stauter (Sp?) and I married a man who is what a lot of folks call petite.  And they get discriminated against by "plump" and tall people alike!  I just sit back and laugh when I watch my ol man deal with people who think since he is only 5'9" and at his heaviest a buck sixty five!  Randy turns around and says:  "Well, as Mamma or for you slow big guys my wife would say, The Gods made me this way so I am perfect.  If you keep fucking with me you will find out how my small fist will lay your big ass down and you will stay down."  And he could do it, it comes from being that IA farm boy, going straight to the Navy and having a ton of side jobs in the Navy and one being a bouncer at a strip club where all the Military rowdies hung out in Jacksonville. 

 

People really just need to take the person as is and if they are goign to judge judge them off their behavor and not how they look!

wonderingsoul on
Re: Reverse Discrimination is Discrimination
I can't help but laugh at myself, now that I can see that the high school anex was just that.  I am actually very overweight now, but I can't believe I thought I was fat back then!  All around us, we see stick thin anorexic looking models, we are told that being overweight is horrible, it means we're fat and lazy (which some are), and it doesn't help when clothing sizes are getting smaller and smaller....someone who is a size 7 may wear a size 12 because of how the clothing is being made....that just makes people think they are fatter than they are.  If the media wouldn't perpetuate the stigma of being overweight, I wonder how different it would be.  Unfortunately I have been the recepient of some pretty negative comments about my weight, from people you'd never think would be so cruel.....here I had hoped high school was over!

niassa on
Re: Reverse Discrimination is Discrimination
Any one who comments on my weight usually has me firing back.  And if a man wants to say crap about my weight, I usually turn around and tell them to put on anywhere from 15-40 extra lbs in 10 months time, take hormonal pills to give the same hormonal fluxuation, put a massivily padded bra on and then shoot a 6-10 lb water melon out of their uretha while having taxen laxatives before hand so they get the same feeling of their muscles tearing away from their abdominal wall.

 

Usually shuts them the hell up!

wonderingsoul on
Re: Reverse Discrimination is Discrimination
LMAO!!  I've never even experienced that!

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