I think France will. France is all about not showing up to make a point. Good for them.

I also think China will DEFINITELY censor what is going on. They can't censor what we say in America, however, they can block American sites with information from getting to China. It makes me sick.

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I feel complete now!

Maybe you can explain to niassa what Jake was meaning by this reply, she just blasted him on her blog.

No problem.

poor guy... maybe he replied to the wrong person =P It reminds me of a conversation I had once with televisionman: Click!

yes, China did that! i am a chinese. and all that we heard from our local tv channels, radios and the internet websites have been carefully and deliberately controlled. i hated it! i hated that way!

as a chinese, i hope our country will be a united one, which will reserve its various cultures from 55 minor groups as it did, and we live together happily; i want it to be a peaceful place that developes smoothly, and people have the same goals, and they help each other to achieve that.

Tibet is developing faster than ever in history, the gorvernment has just built a rail way to help develop local tourism, and that really makes money! so i really have no idea on what purporse, they want to seperate.

i am Chinese too. we chinese all know the other provinces in China have given a lot to Tibet, but we have never learnt how to protect the tibet culture. I suggest the central government should make strict rules on people influx to Tibet just like what the government do with Hongkong and Macao special administrative regions. Maybe we are not clever enough to know the government's mindset. anyway, seperation is not good for both Tibet and China. If seperated, China will face new threat cultured by weasten countries, and Tibet has no way to go, at least geographically disadvantaged.

we click this icon to inform police that a possible bad guy is posting the naked women pics, or someone is selling the piratical CD.
Nowdays, it seems hard for us to find someone to act as total daimon, and you are hero to fight against it justifedly without mercy. 

Yes, I think every country that in essence is for free media reporting should boycott.  China already has made no bones that broadcasts of the events will NOT be made LIVE.  It is one of their ways of making sure nobody says anything that they do NOT agree with hits the rest of the world.

 

As for the countries sayin they won't go because of issues with in China's gov't, I think that is a pretty sorry excuse.  Do I like what is going on with Tibet and China.  Nope.  But boycotting because a country agrees or disagrees over what their gov'ts do would mean boycotting all future Olympics based off the same reasoning.  A lot of countries wouldn't go to the US, Canada, UK, and other countries for the same reason.  Conflict with in our own gov't.

 

If this is goign to be such a concern, the Olympic committee may need to slam down some new rules for the countries hosting the events. 

I think the Tibet situation is a far cry from the relatively minor infractions on citizens' rights in the US and the UK.  The fact that China is demanding this event not being broadcast live (when most previous events have been) is nothing more than pushing its censorship on the rest of the world.  The Beijing olympics may because as noteworthy as the Berlin olympics in 1936.  Chinese citizens live in a nationalized mind control cult.  This country should be no more likely to receive consideration from the Olympic commitee than North Korea.

I agree that it is a far cry.  And I said we should boycott it due to the broadcast situation because China doesn't want us to see things they don't want the world to see. 

I agree, but on the word stage killing 500 people in China is not important, but a guy being held fifteen minutes too long in an American Jail is big news....

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Yep your right I am an Idiot. 

You misunderstood what he was doing.

 

After I saw your post mentioning Jake, I looked at this thread. I knew you had something wrong because jakerad is not the kind of person who would just attack you in such a way. I know that you had a knee-jerk reaction, but you didn't read his whole reply. Did you miss the part where he said, "Kinda miss that poor old sap in this thread so far." ? He was referring to brandre , who stalks these news stories and calls everyone an idiot. You need to amend your post about Jake. You just blasted a man without knowing the whole story. This is how reputations are ruined, by one person overreacting and not reading the whole reply. You made terrible assumptions about Jake without knowing him, and without knowing his intent. How many people have you already alienated from him by your scathing post?

Well if that is the case he shouldn't have hit the reply button to my response.  That is why they have a reply button under each person's response.  It gets posted right under the response they are replying too.  He hit mine so therefore I took it that he was calling me an idiot. 

 

I assumed nothing. I responded the reply left in MY inbox because it my post that was called idiot.

I'm not sure how much more clearly I can state what i'm saying. Are you just scanning or skimming replies? I guess it doesn't matter. Nothing I can say can help you comprehend the situation. But you'll find that you're the only person on MindSay who has ever had a problem with him. Unless of course there are other people who are unable to comprehend the fact that he was joking, and parodying another individual, which other people have already brought to your attention. Hopefully you'll read their replies a bit more closely.

Thanks, but I don't think it was necessary for you or anyone to stick up for me.  She didn't get it.  No big deal.  I'm not even worried about her "blasting" me really.  But thanks for sticking up for what you believed to be right/wrong.

How's the pup?  Your wife was asking me about dogs a week or so ago.

Not being able to understand something and then freaking out about it is exactly what starts panic and mass hysteria. This is how rumors become fact and paranoia is fueled, which is why I said something, because it usually just gets worse.

 

We got the dog back, but we had to leave it with a relative until Saturday, when we move into our new house that has a yard. But he's healthy and happy and glad to see us again.

Brandre doesn't usually call me an idiot...

That's nice.

You're jealous!

Another way reputations get ruin is when you take it upon yourself to mock someone who is an idiot, instead of just ignoring them. Thats all fine, with you who know the deal, but obviously Niassa doesn't, so that wasn't a smart move.

"Yes, I think every country that in essence is for free media reporting should boycott."

That counts us and Canada out.  We have corporate-fascist media, and Canada has state manipulated media.

I read that they may ban live broadcasts from Tiananmen Square, not all live broadcasts...

I don't think it will be possible for China to censor the international media, including bloggers.  Journalists will sneak in cameras, but memory will be their greatest tool.  China may control what information comes in and out of it's country on copper wires, but not when contained in the memory and experiences of people.  They're going to have to let those journalists and bloggers leave, and while the reports may not get back to the Chinese people (most of whom wouldn't believe it any way since they're brainwashed from birth into a nationalized cult), the rest of the world will have access to them.

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I am kinda sad that I was excluded from these replies. I want to pitch a fit too! I have the liberal disease too!

Ironically, I'm sure much of the world thinks the same of Americans;the brainwashing is just a lot more subtle in the U.S. version.

While that is true to a point, the levels of brainwashing just aren't comparable.  I think people who compare the US to China have no idea what the levels of control the government has there really are.  In China, publishing an article critical of the current administration can land you in prison for life.  Here, all it will get you is Bill O'Reilly calling you a liberal progressive.

Seriously, we have people like Alex Jones running around with the 9/11 Truth movement.  We have people who say the government is hiding UFO's.  Millions are against our government's policy on the war.  None of this would have even been remotely possible in China.

Granted there are more freedoms "to criticize" in America than in China and brainwashing there is certainly more coercive.

However, there is still extensive networks of individuals/organizations in the United States dedicated to the task of keeping the public ignorant/misinformed ... It's starts at a young with socialization and all the  nationalism BS you learn at school and proceeds to adulthood with anti communism/anti Americanism, and "spreading freedom and democracy around the world"  through gun and barrel as well as, more recently, "fighting terrorism"..

The mainstream news media in America is completely controllled by corporations, who have a stake in keeping information hidden from the public. To read anything remotely critical of U.S. foreign policy in the U.S., one must turn to alternative media sources or critical publications. Otherwise you are left with a very sanitized, and often distorted version, of events.

Mind control exists in America; it just happens to be far more sophisticated  than what you see in China (and similar authoritarian regimes).

I've told for at least thousand times that you are brainwashed, what shall i do as Chinese. Kill myself or kiss your ass to worship you open-minded? Or can you let us join your country, can you give us your citizenship or start a huge war in the middle of Asia to overturn the government? You just comment we are brainwashed, but you never told us what to do.

The green hill cannot block the flowing river to the sea. Something in the human's heart you cannot deny. That is the persuit to the facts and human nature. The recent events just prove you are more or less brainwashed to some extent by the government-controled media or your own preconception.

 

I'm not saying all Chinese are brainwashed.  Brainwashing isn't the fault of the person it's done to.  All it is is information control.  Your government censors information that it does not want its people to see.  They do this because much of this information proves that they lie regularly to their people.  They tell the Chinese people that Tibet and Taiwan have always been a part of China, but that isn't true, for example. 

If you don't like your government, it's your responsibility to change it.  How much you're willing to risk depends on how strongly you believe in what you do.  My nation's forefathers rebelled against their government because they believed in a representative government instead of being ruled by a king.  They believed in freedom of speech, religion, the right to assemble, and freedom of the press.  They were willing to die for those beliefs.

You asked "what shall I do."  Don't look to others to solve your problems for you.

Show me the links showing Taiwan is also not part of China so that i can learn your mindset.

I am not asking the solution from you. That is my way to see some of you are "stupid". What i want to say is that your findings and comments somewhat a bit shallow. There are lots of misunderstandings and you attribut all to the communist china government is not right.

Your suggestions to overturn the current China government is not good.

We still rememeber how Russia suffered, anyway, NATO refused the Russia's entry appliction, right?

I can understand why you think Tibet should be a country.

But i still confused that you say Taiwan is not a part of China.

Show me your stuff. I will not argue with you. This is meaningless.

If you want send troops to China to "liberate" us and enlighen us, just like you did to Irap.

I am wordless, Sir.    

But by the way, please check your references again and agiain in the future, using the false reference to support your opinions is a shame.

Best regards

 

Here is a bit of history on Taiwan and the Republic of China, which is Taiwan's official name.  Note that this is not to be confused with the People's Republic of China, which rules the mainland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China

Thanks. You know my fellow and I are discussing it is a chance for both Taiwan and mainland...

Thanks again for your interests in China.

Of course we know Republic of China. Both communists and Kuomintang are once working together to found the Republic of China under the leadership of respectful Sun Yet-sen. But Kuomintang start to purge the communist. The leader of communist party,Chen Duxiu, refused to resort to force. Then Mao Zedong replaced Chen Duxiu, and established the army with other communists .....

For most Chinese, it is part of China at least since Qing Dynasty. Had it not been occupied by Japan in April 17, 1895, mainland and Taiwan still together. Just like Hong Kong, In 1842, the British government occupied Hong Kong island and later in 1898, hired the surrounding districts for 99 years. We don't care been called the Republic of China or People's Republic of China. We don't care Taiwan belongs to Mainland or Mainland belongs to Taiwan.

I think it is not right and legal for anyone set up a country at will just because they got strong background boss. For us, Japan cedes Taiwan 1895; US partially supports Taiwan independence from 1949 till now. You know, even Kuomingdang Chiang Kai-shek never intended to seperate Taiwan from China. It makes me feel "weird", with gun and so called democracy you can declare any place independence. Then, there must be far more countries should be independent in China, remember there are 56 minorities here.

Let's drop this topic.

Perhaps the best approach is to boycott the opening ceremony which boycotts their big showpiece without penalizing athletes who have spent a life time preparing for this.

During the closing ceremonies athletes could just hang their heads and close eyes during the times of propaganda but celebrate their time with other athletes.

The boycotts of Montreal, Moscow and LA olympics accomplished very little.

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Sure glad there is no propaganda in the U.S. (e.g., CNN trusted and reliable).

What really bothers me is the total news blackout about this issue here in Manila.  Here, no news about Tibet/China can be heard on national tv, to think even Britney's sis got a flash report!
I found out about this online. 

This is one of the reasons I have a short wave radio. I listen to news from all over - radio Havana, Stockholm, BBC, China, etc...

They are inexpensive, maybe 20$ will get one, and there is news in many languages.