Yes...

Wow, your reasons for that yes are so overwhelming, I can't see how no one else can agree.

Oh wait...that's just blank space after your yes.  Nevermind.

Your little crusade is getting old.  It's more annoying seeing you respond to every comment this guy makes than seeing his occasional intolerant comments.  Everyone has an opinion, that's why we're not on MySpace.

You mean like your little crusade in the forums and such?  This time I was at least trying to get him to elaborate as to why he says something instead of saying nothing.  

What crusade on the forums?

Keeping it going by monopolizing nearly every topic posted, even if what you posted had nothing to do with the original topic.  It was one of the reasons why I stopped visiting it, so I was glad to see that you weren't pushing your opinion in every single thing.  That or now I just ignore whatever it is you've replied on lest it had a genuine relation to the topic.

You're living in the past.

I'm part of the MindSay Forum SS now, a modern day Heinrich Himmler if you will.

Not really; I started visiting it again to see what topics are recently discussed but none really garner my interest to write, or I don't have much to say on it, more often the latter than the former.  Now if I was still keeping away cuz of that, then I'd agree and say I was living in the past.  

It is somewhat dead now, I've noticed.

Gunman, give him rhinestones. It isn't appropriate to cast pearls before the swine....

Aww, you're not a swine, an ass yes, but a swine, never.

I was thinking the same thing ...   great minds, ya know? 

The only reason is justice. Most liberals don't understand that.

Justice by whose view?  Yours?  Your religion?  This country's laws?

Thank you, Brandre! Neptune

Do they eat the losers?

I ask, because not too many people eat dogs, but there are quite a few that eat... chickens. It is easy to get outraged at cruel behavior towards man's best friend, but not so much when it is cruel behavior against man's potential 9 pc KFC dinner.

I have over sixty chickens, and fifteen or so roosters...  They start fights on their own.

Creepier still, when one dies, the others will have stripped it until all that's left is the head and some of the bones when I go out the next morning...

That is pretty creepy. haha.

You should see what they do to rats and porkchops.

Do you have pigs? And, if so, could you dispose of a body to a ravenous bunch of pigs like in the movie Snatch?

I suppose using chickens wouldn't appeal so much to Hollywood.... but I'd use them in my movie, if I had a movie to call mine.

Once pigs have tasted blood, they will kill/eat people.  My mother was almost killed by ravenous pigs once when she was younger.  They pulled her down, and if a farm hand hadn't seen that she wasn't standing there anymore, that would have been curtains.  Chickens would probably do the job, but leave more of the skeleton intact.

Are they "Free Range?" That is to say, "Not Caged?" Although children start fights on their own as well, and they are generally not "Caged!" Or like the chickens and roosters, (Should Not Be!) That would make any animal, (homosapian included) pretty Outraged! And don't think the children would not kill and eat each other, if they became as "Insensible" as a Caged Animal... Cannibalism was practiced long ago by uncivilized tribes of people, as well as people starving in lifeboats at sea. When animals, children, or adult people are treated with kindness and respect, it will circulate throughout their region, but for individuals among them that may be ill, (sometimes the illness stemming from their seed) or as we might put it: (bad genes!)

They're cooped, with a generous amount of space, food, and access to fresh air & light(though in the winter, it gets mean here, so I seal the access to the run and the wire mesh windows so the frigid breeze doesn't freeze their water.

I don't have any caged animals on the farm.  Even when we had rabbits, they had an open run.

You are indeed an example of one who intends no harm to his animals, Sai-Gun! I remember how  we first met on Mindsay! You "Spoke Out Strongly" against Animal Abuse! That is why I respect you as a man! Compared to the "Factory Farms" that are overtaking the small family farms, your animals are "Far Better Off!" They would really "enjoy their lives" however, if they were allowed to run freely in the grass around your farm, as in the days before coops were invented, and would not be "attacking each other" nearly as much. Is that possible? Even if a coyote or fox gets to a few, it is "Better to have lived a little, than to not have lived... well you know. Or if the tractor is the problem, perhaps a large fenced yard, with an open shed, for protection from the elements when they themselves choose to go there. Lol. 

We have a batch of what you'd call free range birds(after a couple years in the coop, they generally get retired if they stop laying), but the winters, bobcats, wild dogs, and the huge packs of coyotes cull off a whole lot of them.  They have access to a building, but hens never live long outside like that, with a few exceptions.  Only some of the meaner roosters have the instincts to survive that way it seems.  Our Guinae hens and ducks are free, and they do better than the chickens do.  Every time we adopt a rooster or set the young ones out(I don't like having more rosters in the coop than necessary, as they are nasty to the hens usually), I get to watch them square off for territory.  It's funny, because they divide into small tribes sort of, with each usually led by a sort of alpha male. and claiming a different outbuilding for shelter.  They also claim different feeding grounds.  Another problem having them all outside is them getting tangled in the bale wrap on roundbales and getting strangled.  Not as bad with polytwine, but with the mesh wrap the bigger round baler uses, it's like a net almost.  Inside, I can also catch them to treat them for minor injuries and conditions much easier.  One of the hens has a condition where her claws and the armored skin on her legs grows too fast, and I have to trim her nails so she can walk around, and a few of the birds are blind in one eye.  I have enough laying boxes and roosts that every hen pretty much has two choices or more of places to nest at night, so as far as chicken coops go, it's four stars.  The one building was a calf barn back in the day, and is huge, an the other was purpose built for it in the 1800's, and has an open run so they can in fact get out on dirt (no grass because they kill it all) and stone to hunt insects in the warmer months.

It sounds like they really do have "plenty of room!" (The chickens) and it is "Wonderful" that the Guinae hens and Ducks are free to roam around! I do hope that people will soon realize   that the "Family Farm" such as yours, is the "Only" way to raise "Animals! The "Cruel" Factory Farms need to go! I belong to an organization called Farm Sanctuary, and we are collecting signatures now, to outlaw the Veal Crates, Battery Cages for chickens, and Gestation Crates... (they are just like the veal crates) for the pigs. All "Extremely Cruel" confinement, where they can not even turn around, or lie down with room enough to even stretch their legs out. The animals go psychotic, and become physically ill! Then they sell these poor tortured creatures to the public to eat! Is it any wonder that there is so much cancer, and psychosis in our society! .......................God Bless You, Sai-Gun

Definitely! Let him stay with his "Sub-Human" friends over there who participate in "such cruelty to defenseless animals! Cruelty and pain are felt just as strongly, be it a defenseless rooster, or a dog, or any other animal. He should be "Fired" and "Shunned" by the NFL and his team!

MLB, not NFL.

Right! Thanks Sai-Gun! 

Anyone who says roosters are defenseless has never dealt with a rooster, obviously.

Exactly! Roosters are mean as hell.  Geese are mean as hell, too. They'll chase you down.

Funny but I never had problems with either! Perhaps they can sense who "Respects them," and who does not! Obviously, if they have been treated badly by others, it will take them time to come to "Trust" you. Most people do not take the time to "play with them... they just throw some food at them, and say "get outa here!" What would you expect? 

You don't want to "play" with a wild goose.  Its not about who respects or does not respect them, its about someone invading their territory. You respect its territory. Period. Roosters are also territorial which is why there is only one per hen house. 

You are correct about that myclette! I thought that you were referring to a "pet goose!" Many people keep geese in their yards. 

Hmm...should somebody be punished for doing something perfectly legal in another country because Americans just don't like that stuff...I'm gonna have to go with a no on that.

 

Of course, if the fans want to express their displeasure by boycotting Mets games and forcing the team to get rid of Martinez, that's another story.

Well put! I say I have to agree, I also agree with the eating the loosers thing, in spain theres the bull fights, they root for the matidor because the meat from the slaughtered defeated bull is put up for sale with the best parts and the rest goes to feed homeless shelters.

Who are we to judge another countries ways without knowing the entire story?

Agreed.

We shouldn't judge just because we have a country full of prudes..

nctechie, my message to masivemaple applies to you as well!

silverfire, my message to massivemaple, applies to you as well! 

Well, it is good to know that you "Have A Heart" even when you are tired. 

It was reported on an American news channel that Spain has "Evolved" and no longer allows for the mistreatment or slaughter of their bulls that are used in the Bull Rings! Now we need for Mexico to catch up with Spain in this "Evolutionary" process! 

Now we need for Mexico to catch up with Spain in this "Evolutionary" process!

Which will help the oppressed chickenhood of the Dominican Republic how, exactly?

Chickenhood? Forgive me God, but you made me "giggle" even though "it is a speciest comment!" Anyway, it would have very little bearing on the "Chickenhood of the Dominican Republic!" Each issue must be dealt with separately. 

"it is a speciest comment!"

Isn't it, though?  You'd almost think I don't think that chickens are people.

it would have very little bearing on the "Chickenhood of the Dominican Republic!"

Considering that we're talking about the Dominican Republic, and that Mexico has nothing to do with this story at all, that would seem to be a drawback.

Chickens are "Not" people, but that does not mean that they can be "Abused!" They feel pain, just as all animals do, including us!

If you wish to gain a "larger perspective" please read my "Personal Wiki Page!" If you are happy with your "Narrow and Speciest" view, then don't read it... but if you do, you might become a "Human Being!"

Chickens are "Not" people, but that does not mean that they can be "Abused!" They feel pain, just as all animals do, including us!

I would more or less agree with that.  But I fully intend to keep eating them, so I don't suppose it matters.

 

Interesting that you feel agreement with you is necessary for one to be a human being.

It might surprise you to learn that "I am not a vegetarian," however I am careful to eat only "Free Range" animals that have not come from a "Factory Farm!" If I buy eggs, even they are "Cage Free!" I would indeed "Love to be able to say that I am a Vegan, or Vegetarian, but my system has a "terrible time with veggies, even though I do like them! I have tried many times to be a vegan, or vegetarian, but my body reacts to this effort in a "very negative way!"

"So I don't suppose it matters" is what you wrote, however it "Greatly Matters!" For if we "ARE" going to eat animals, the "VERY LEAST" that we can do as "Human Beings" is to "Provide them with a pleasant life, for the time that they are here, along with "Humane slaughter techniques!" As a "side note" people will not be eating "Sick and Psychotic" animals! I actually believe that there is a lot of truth in the old adage: We are what we eat! The cancer, and other diseases of the body and the mind, are closely tied in to "what we eat!" One might think of it as "the Animal's Revenge!" against a society that "Allows such Inhumane Practices!"

For if we "ARE" going to eat animals, the "VERY LEAST" that we can do as "Human Beings" is to "Provide them with a pleasant life, for the time that they are here, along with "Humane slaughter techniques!"

We as a species are going to eat animals--that's what we're built for, to be omnivores.  As for the rest, it sounds nice in theory...but the economic realities are that so-called "factory farms" are here to stay, because that's the only way to meet the requirements of the population at a price people can live with.  Anything else would require either rationing meat or/and limiting it to people with more money, which I somehow doubt you are going to manage.

Factory Farms Are Not Here To Stay! As "Evolved Human Beings" become aware of the "DEPRAVITY" that is associated with "Factory Farming" the "CRUELY" and the"FILTH," they will move away from buying meat that is not from a "HEALTHY FREE RANGE SOURCE!" That is why so many new "GREEN" type of groceries are cropping up, such as "Whole Foods Market" "Mothers Market" Trader Jo's Market," (these are in California) There are many others in other states! People will pay a few dollars more for "HEALTHY FOOD! They know that "SICKNESS" will cost them far more! They are not as "COLD HEARTED" or as "STUPID" as you may think!

It has become increasingly "OBVIOUS" to me, that you have personal ties to the FACTORY FARMING INDUSTRY! Therefore anything that I say to you will be met with "NEGATIVITY!"

If nothing else, our discussions served to "AWAKEN" many people! I do hope that one day you will see the "light!" I will leave you now, and I do hope that you will "Take a good long look at yourself in the mirror! Perhaps you will feel a true sense of "Disgust, and decide to rescue your "HEART" and your "SOUL!" Remove the cloak of"GREED" and "CALLOUSNESS" and you will find them there, all shriveled up... but they can be "Restored, and they can be made "HONORABLE!

People will pay a few dollars more for "HEALTHY FOOD!

Alas, the vast majority of all the food is healthy, your scare-tactics to the contrary.  And the people who don't have a "few dollars more"--what about them?  Or do they just get screwed, as usual--sort of :collateral damage for the cause?

They are not as "COLD HEARTED" or as "STUPID" as you may think!

They are frequently both.  However, what they are probably not is stupid enough to decide that permanently reducing the supply of meat is a good idea, because it isn't.

It has become increasingly "OBVIOUS" to me, that you have personal ties to the FACTORY FARMING INDUSTRY!

'Fraid not, except in the sense that I eat and would like to continue.

Therefore anything that I say to you will be met with "NEGATIVITY!"

Say stuff that makes sense and manages to be a good idea, and I'll be positive.  Keep saying stuff that's nuttier than a jar of Planter's, and, yeah, I'll probably be negative.

As a final note: From this point on it does not matter what you say to try to "Mask The Issue" and make it seem silly! You have shown your hand, and anyone with "any HUMANITY AND INTELLIGENCE" knows the TRUTH, and can see through your seemingly clever, but very FOOLISH play on words. My sincere hope is that you will "FIND YOUR HUMANITY!"

Silvertears, my message for "masivemaple" applies to you as well.

There are "higher laws" than the laws that men choose. And I am sure that you would have a "totally opposite" view, if God decided to "bring you back as one of those roosters!!!" He just may! It is called Karma! And I do hope that it is a part of the  "overall" scheme of things... however, we do not know if it "truly" exists, or if it is just "wishful thinking!" I fight for Animal Rights/Welfare because it is "a calling within me!" Something that gives me no choice! Why does God call on me if Karma exists? Then perhaps it doesn't exist.... or perhaps it does, and we are chosen to "rescue" those that we can reach. We are "God's Hands" in many cases. I am just "thinking out loud" but it will give you something to "think about!"

blah-blah-blah

Try "Thinking" about the words... that is, if you can "Think." If not, I'll understand, and you can just keep going "blah-blah-blah." Or you might try some "foul language!" That would be "typical" as well!

god can suck my dick.


good enough for you?

oh and you take your higher law, and shove it right up your ass

There are "higher laws" than the laws that men choose.

So every two-bit wannabe dictator who can't get his or her way always says.  Funny how those alleged "higher laws" always manage to perfectly track their personal opinions.

And I am sure that you would have a "totally opposite" view, if God decided to "bring you back as one of those roosters!!!" He just may! It is called Karma!

I'm willing to take my chances on that one.

Dictators are not known for standing up for the defenseless, but rather the opposite! They take full advantage of them! Therefore I do not walk in the shoes of a dictator!

There "are" higher laws than the laws that men choose! For example, the laws of nature. There are many man made laws that are later changed by a society, because the society has evolved... slavery was outlawed! There is one example!

Dictators are known for imposing their will on people regardless of the desires of those people.  The excuses for this are neither here nor there.

 

If you are equating cockfighting with human slavery, then I would suggest that you desperately need some perspective.

LOL Gee, ya think?

"Dictators are known for imposing their will on people regardless of the desires of those people."
"Cruel, and Inhuman people are known for imposing their will on defenseless animals."

So, if one is not a "Speciest" (a word that has all the same meaning as "Bigot.") there is no logical reason "Not to equate cockfighting with human slavery!" Be the slave black, white, yellow, or red!

there is no logical reason "Not to equate cockfighting with human slavery!"

Other than the fact that such an equation would be idiotic, none at all.  Tell me, do you equate the meat-packing industry with the Holocaust?

I call it the Tasty Holocaust.... engineered by Colonel Sanders.

Colonel Sanders...Colonel Qadhafi...you gotta watch those colonels.

In the Animal Rights/Welfare work that we do, we see "Everything on film" that goes on in these "Slaughter Houses, that you refer to as "Meat Packing Plants. Yes, I would equate it to the "Holocaust!" That, and most definitely "Animal Testing in the so called "Medical Research Laboratories! Last Chance for Animals is "just one" of the Animal Rights organizations that has "Thousands" of pictures. See for yourself!

Yes, I would equate it to the "Holocaust!"

See my previous comment.

 

Okay, first of all, if you're a Christian, that particular entity has nothing to do with "Karma" and "reincarnation".  Now, if you're a buddhist or something of the like, then okay, but most people in our great country partake in some form of Christianity if they are even religious, therefore it would not apply.  FYI, my state didn't pass a law against cockfighting until just recently (I'm talking within the past year), so does that mean that all the people of the state  of New Mexico who practice religions that do not teach "karma" and "reincarnation" are going to come back as roosters and get tormented themselves?  Well, we'll just have to ask them when they come back and cluck at us when they are reincarnated.

I am sorry, but the way that you phrased that (as you probably realize) was very funny! Even my husband had to laugh. "When they come back and cluck at us!" No, we have not a "clue" as to how the "universe" works! We do not know, nor will we ever know for certain if such a thing as Karma exists. Of course I "Hope" that it does! However, how do you explain a terrifying plane crash, where 250 people from all walks of life, plus the pet animals onboard, are all falling into the sea, only to be eaten by the sharks, if they do manage to stay alive? Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Tidal Waves, Wars, ... there are just to many all encompassing tragedies that occur, to take a "firm" grasp on the "Karma" theory. None of the religions know any more than do you or I. They all like to "POSTURE!" And their "Posture" is "Presumptuous," besides being "Ridiculous," because as I said, "No one knows anything!" And that is God's design! However, people feel comforted in "Believing the fairy tales" that "Organized Religion" invents, thus they keep on "Posturing" to keep the money flowing in! Karma could "just as easily be another fairy tale, or not??? What do you think?