I noticed on Sojourner's blog that you posted the address of a feral horse sanctuary. As an owner of a BLM Mustang, I am interested as to what the goals of that sanctuary are. Do yo know what they do? Thank you!

Yes, Wildearrows, they rescue as many of the mustangs as they can afford to do! The first one, "Return To Freedom," will give them whatever veterinary care they need, and bring them back to their normal health, before finding another wild heard, that they can release them to. They also work to change the political structure of our country, to have our polititions take "More interest" in "Protecting our Wild Horses!

The other is more of a "Sanctuary, where after horses are rescued from the slaughter auctions, they are given veterinary treatment, to regain their health, and then they work to find "Loving Homes" to adopt these Wild Mustangs to.

If you want more info, just go to their website (google will have it... just type in the name) and ask them to send you literature. Or write to the address that I provided. You can request "they not" release your name to other organizations! As a "Legitimate Organization" they will very likely "Honor that request!"

Thank you for your concern,
With Warm Regards,
Shaunasea

Hi my name is Linda
thanks for passing by my blog

You are "Very welcome Linda! Thank "YOU" for taking the time to read my blog! I don't know where they came up with the word "Blog." Doesn't it sound like a "rediculous" word? "Post" is the word that I often use to subsitute for it... sounds better, don't you think so? 

yeah ur right

Of course! We "Animal Rights Persons" are  "Always  right! lol 

YUP

May I add you as a "Friend? After all, you "Are!" 

sure why not

As good as done!

alright then

Excellant post Shaunasea! This is so right on  the spot! It's bound to get a lot of responses. I went to your 'wiki' also and I like the changes and your appeal for animals always touches my heart. I'm sure it does others. 

Thank You, Jo! I was correct about that "Soul" I saw, "In your "Soulful" eyes! 

 aww....  you are so sweet to tell me that!

may I ask you a few questions?

you are a peta member are you not?

Certainly cje, you may ask me 'any question within mental and emotional 'reason. No, I most certainly am 'NOT' a 'PETA' member anymore! I think that they have 'totally lost it!'  Or at least, most of it! Killing healthy pets, (by the hundreds, if not thousands) because they are to 'GREEDY' with the money they receive, to open a 'SANCTUARY' where these animals might be adopted, and if not, at least live out their precious lives on a ranch! (At least they do kill HUMANELY!) However, they have no right to do so, unless the homeless animal is very sick, or otherwise unadoptable. They still do 'some' good work, but 'this' is 'more than I can tollerate!

but isnt death just a part of that...

believe it or not, the animal population has to be trimmed off.
do you wish that all animals need to be saved?

Isn't death just a part of what?

Some people, like Hitler, and Others of his ilk, believe the same about 'The Human Population!'
No one 'has the right to 'decide for God!'

Do I wish that 'all animals be saved? God would 'not have 'given life' to his creatures, including humans, if he did not 'Want Them To Be Here! Have you heard the quotation: Let no man put asunder, what God has brought 'to be!' The 'WRATH' of God, will be upon those who do!

our ecosystem and environment. things live, and if they are week, they die. its how things work.



but thats human manipulation of an ecosystem based on prior bigotry due to hatred.
its very, EXTREMELY, natural for us to hunt, and eat other beings. yes, some things in animals have been manipulated in a bad way (for example giving cows other cows to eat).





I have already stated.. I do not believe in god.
but, I dont want to force my religous opinion down your throat... so i'll use your logic.
if this supreme being were to have created beings, why do they kill each other?
why do animals, not fit for their environment, die?
why have do we have thumbs, and the inner drive for meat?
I believe those thumbs are tools of death, they give us the ability to grab something.. and use it to our advantage... why?
to live.
if they are given life, and are expected to live... then... why do they die anyway?

Personally, I could 'Never Hunt! I think that I would rather 'Starve' to death, than 'kill' an animal! That is me. I can't stand to see a 'fish writhing on a hook either! However I realize that God has made Carnivors, such as Tigers, as well as Non-Conivors, such as Horses! Yes, I think that people still have a long way to go, before most can become Vegans... and I am not certain, but I think that we were meant to 'evolve' in that direction... to Veganism. I myself will only eat 'Free Range meat! That is, meat that has come from an animal that was 'RAISED HUMANELY' and KILLED HUMANELY!

The other thing about 'HUNTING' and 'FISHING' that I 'AM' sure of, is that it 'SHOULD NEVER BE DONE FOR SPORT!' ONLY FOR FOOD! And 'NEVER' kill, more animals than you really need, to feed your family. And do 'kill as 'HUMANELY' and 'QUICKLY' as is 'HUMANLY' Possible!

eh, you would, trust me. if you were in a situation that was life or death... you'd smack an animal faster than anything. you dont trust your instincts. they are a powerful thing.
as for us, we'll always be omnivores, as long as we share a like with other homo sapiens, we'll always be able and willing to eat meat, you cant evolve nowadays because your environment will not change to the point of needing to eat just eat, or meat.

so you eat meat?



yeah, but killing animals is neccesary for maintaing the ecosystem, the over population of one species can be devestating.

Before I 'Turn In' tonight, I 'MUST' correct your last statement CJE! Killing animals is generally 'NEVER' necessary for maintaining the ecosystem! Unless man has 'Really messed it up badly! Those instances are rare! Nature has designed it, so that the ecosystem maintains itself, without the help of man, thank you. Man generally ruins the ecosystem! Look at the Everglades, for example! The rain forests are another example! The animals are 'on the brink of distinction' in so many places on Earth! The 'Hunters' have for eons been using that 'excuse' for 'Hunting!' It is 'their way of 'saving face!' As most people 'do not 'especially like, or trust, people that hunt, when their are supermarkets. I am not saying that 'you' do not believe this lie, that has been passed on to you, from your childhood. I am just saying that 'IT IS NOT TRUE!

Anyway, I am off to bed! If you like, we can continue tomorrow!

Good Night, CJE........

its a fact though, that human and pre-human ancestors acted as a limting factor in a ecosystem. this is botched though, because their were alot less of us and we werent as advanced.
we have adapted though.


I am fully aware that we can wipe out an ecosystem. thats why their is strict rules on hunting. it is altered to manipulate the population.  hunting (as a sport) is probably the most effective thing we are doing to maintain a steady environment, we are being used as a limiting factor, and we can (in a few cases) stop overpopulation by our hunting standards, licenses, seasons, limits, restrictions and so on. we have more or less perfected it, IN THEORY.
their is a massive poaching problem, but, its slowly but surely stopping. which for animal rights group, is probably the most significant achievement.

 and the tearing down of rainforests is horrible. THAT is what we should be worrying about. the resources are needed though. I'm sure it will get better though... maybe even through domestication. who knows?


and you must understand that hunting for sport is nessesary for certain animals. the ones we dont really eat.
this is what is so brilliant about domesticated farm animals.
we take a portion of the population, domesticate, and use them for food, whilst the un-domesticated animals are able to be free.
 this is why you dont see the mass hunting of pigs, cows, and chickens.
but most animal rights people have problem with the domestication of farm animals. though, we have the best idea in mind.
 


but I probably should have re-worded my statement.
its a complicated issue.


and if I may correct you in a minor way... I think you meant extinction instead of "distinction" when you said "'on the brink of distinction'"

its late I know...



and I would love to continue our dicussions.

Yes, CJE... Thank you for that correction... I did mean 'extinction, and not distinction.

Last night you mentioned 'mice' and before I could comment on that, we got 'sidetracked... so this is what I felt compelled to write today, in some notes:

To an 'innocent' little rat/mouse/ guini-pig, etc. 'their life is as 'Important to them, as 'your life, is 'Important to you. They do share the 'same' fears' that we do, and that is 'obviously because they also share 'the same pain!'

Some 'tiny' mice nested in the dresser drawers of an old dresser that we keep in the garage for storage. I never knew it before, but they 'actually build cute little nests that look 'exactly' like the intricate little bird's nests for their young. There were three tiny babies in there, with their eyes still closed, and so we let them be, until they were following their parents around, but meanwhile we had bought a 'catch and release cage from the 'feed store. It was 'amazingly' easy to use... with just a bit of cheese, or was it peanut butter... I forgot now, but anyway, we caught every last one, gave them a little water, and some more food, and then released the 'little family' of meeeces, up in the hills, away from any homes.

The real point of this story is that we got to see them 'up close!' They looked directly into our eyes, with that 'heartwrenching fear' that translated so clearly: Please let us go! Please don't hurt us! I spoke to them 'gently' and assured them that they were 'going to be set 'FREE!' As they were, setting each and every one free, only hours after it was caught, to avoid 'trauma! It took about five car trips... but it only was about a five minute drive. We really wanted to let them all go 'together' at the same time, but then the one in the cage would have run out, when the new one came in, but since we left them all in the same spot, under a large tree, overlooking the valley, I think that they probably were able to find one another, after a bit.

I also wrote this for you, pertaining to 'MORALS' since that was one of our topics.

You said that you: Don't believe in God, or Morals.

In my opinion, it does not really mattter to God, if people do or do not 'Believe In Him. How they 'Behave' is What Does matter To him!

I will explain... About MORALS:  I will try to put this as 'Profoundly, and yet as Simply, as I can. 'MORALS' are not 'something that you 'Believe in, or not... They simply 'ARE!' MORALS are 'Treating Others As You Would Wish Them To Treat You! It has been referred to as 'The Golen Rule!' Those who 'Honor' this 'Golden Rule' are 'Human Beings' and those who do not, are simply 'Not Human. They are 'Sub-Human.' That is 'Why' MORALITY' is so Important! As you grow up, it will 'define' what kind of a 'Person' you will become! Those who 'Choose' the 'Proper Path' will be rewarded, not only in this life, but in the hereafter, whether they believe in God, or not! 'Humans apply 'The Goldn Rule To 'ALL' Living Beings!

yeah.. but did you get my point?




well yeah, but not in an emotional way.
there is no evidence that they feel sorrow, regret, or anything like that. except for primal survival emotions such as fear are the same.
as for finding each other for a bonding, eh.. after the nest part, they pretty much are after each other. if they are in each others way, they won't hesitate to kill.
they are more primal than we are, they  know what the want.





Morals arent part of us.
well they are. but in the most primal way possible. let me be really blunt with this.
Morals are what we use to insure a group, and the success in breeding.
also, to alienate and destroy those who arent in our personal moral group. this is why their is rule, its a simple behaviour of cancelling out those who challenge us, and are different.
Morals keep the group (in this case...Christians) together, and not killing each other.

I 'Know' that dogs and cats experience sorrow, regret, and every emotion that 'we' experience, so I have no reason to think that an intelligent little animal like a 'mouse' does not as well!

The homo-sapien species, has been very 'Speciest' for a long time... that is, that they think that they alone are 'so superior' to other animals! it is just 'Not So, CJE!
But really, I have to 'get dressed' and first answer a few more posts, so please hold everything until I am able to 'post this weekend. Thanks, Shaunasea

well.. can I ask at least.. where you got this information, that cats and dogs experience our emotions?







but its true, and we have to do our part for the ecosystem.

or you could...

It is 'not information' CJE.... It is 'experience! I have lived with 'cats and dogs, as has my husband, all of our lives.

Once Again,
Take care, as I must, (after checking the inbox one last time) bid you ado.

There may be certain things that we 'may never agree on CJE, but that is natural, still I am 'So pleased with you' in that you 'Really Care' about our Beautiful Rainforests, Poachers, and I am sure, many other things, that we 'can' agree on.

The idea here on Minday, is to 'Share Our Thoughts!'

I think that I have answered most of your 'inquiries' but if you ever want to 'inquire as to my thinking on other matters, or just chat, I will be happy to.

Mike is 'taking me out to dinner tonight,  (thats why I posted to you early) so I need to find something to wear, and I also need to post a few more quick notes to some people, so for now I'll sign off... With Warm regards, Shaunasea

yeah, but that doesnt change anything. animals have to be killed, thats it. they have to die.
and what do you think on domesticated farm animals?


yeah.. thats the idea.


um.. with all due respect, no, not really.
I dont think you fully understand your idea on keeping every living thing alive for as long as possible.
you use your morals that have been installed into you.. and we all learn, death isnt a good thing.. but in truth, its a great thing. bad things would happen things didnt kill each other.

Poaching has not stopped, and has only slowed down in certain places where the native people are being 'paid' to protect them.

Factory Farming of domesticated animals is 'just that' ... treating these poor animals as though they were 'factory parts' instead of 'living, feeling, beings.

CJE, you make comments that are so ... off the wall... that I feel like I need to continuously 'straighten out' the misconceptions, before people believe them!
I don't know where you come up with 'all these speciest ideas' but they 'Truely are!

Every time I come back to the computer, my 'inbox' is so filled up with your 'speciest ' remarks, that there is often no room for 'others to reach me.

I 'doubt' very much that you 'actually read' my responses carefully, for you often repeat the same thing over, after I have spent a lot of 'energy' to carefully address the matter.

I really think that 'we did achieve a certain amount of clarification' and I am 'glad about that.

I will be 70 years old soon, and I need to take care of my health, for the sake of my family. All of this 'off the wall' speciest commentary, is beginning to 'take it's toll on me... I have been feeling compelled to 'make notes' during the day, to combat your barrage of unfair comments, and here it is 3:00 in the morning, and I am still typing. My husband said that 'he is finding me depressed' and 'getting to 'absessive compulsive' about your constant assertions... therefore, it is a 'matter of preserving my health' that I now step back, and realize that I have 'given you enough to 'turn your thinking process around, if you 'Truely wish to search for 'Truth.

There are so many books that you can obtain on Animal Rights/Welfare. Just search the internet.

A 'good book' to begin with is 'Animal Liberation' by Peter Singer.

I do hope that I have 'helped you to understand' the things that 'you really wanted to know, before it turned into an 'absessive' writing sojourn for you.

I 'do' wish you well, as I do believe that 'basically' you are a 'decent' person... influenced by others around you, in a 'terrible' way.

Please go over 'what I have so sincerely given to you' in the way of 'understanding.

I do hope that you will 'think again' before you accept other people's 'speceism.

Take Care, CJE!

Shaunasea

yeah, but its starting to work.. got any other ideas?

no, I think you are a bit taken back because of your lack of knowledge...
you dont know as much as you wish, and you cannot defend the fact that the animal population has to be controlled, and animals have to die sometimes.


no, they are well taken care of, and some of them have to be domesticated.. as of the cows, if they are not milked, their utters will explode.
are you pro-utter explosion?


no, my explinations are rather clear. i'm just stating some facts. you havent straigtened them out either. you've said pointless facts really.


speciest isnt a word. and, for the most part, they are just true. homo sapiens are better fit for an environment and are smarter than other animals, no?

I read your posts, as for their sense... I cannot say, if they have nothing to do with what i'm saying, I dont deem them fit for my attention...

I hope so.



how old are you?
well.. if my comments are "speciest" and unfair... maybe you can explain to me why they are wrong. I think your comments are plain ridiculous.. thats why I am typing..
and i'm not making you stay up late.
I never told you too.


I will, and have.

I will pick it up.



well. i'm still confused a bit.


thank you. I wish you might change your mind as well.


well.. I cant, sense you blocked my blog. when you block someone, they cant read it.


no, these are all my ideas.

Thanks for looking at my blog, have just gone through yours, you have passion and i admire that!

I believe that each and every living thing deserves a chance, no one should be allowed to act like god and interfere to the point that alot of people do, we should all except things as they are.

 

All creatures....are the same life,

the same essence, the same power,

the same one and nothing less.

 

Henry Suso.

Thanks,

Sue.

    

 

God Bless You Dink... And I know that he will!

By the way, your cat is 'Adorable!' 'Sharp markings too! Reminds me of the way that some of the stars wear their hair 'sort of curving in, over one eye!

Where are you from?

I live in a small seaside village in scotland uk but i am originally from england, i have lived in scotland for 14 years and i enjoy where i am in life!

My cat may be adorable (i thank you for the compliment, i will let her know what you said!) but she is huge and can be rather moody!

She thinks that she owns the house and the people who live in it, she is very good at expressing herself, she is a master at giving out dirty looks!

She does have very clear markings and the colours are rather striking, she's a tortie', she is black, white, ginger and a little freckled in places!

Thanks for the blog, keep in touch.

Sue  

Dink, where you live sounds 'Beautiful!' I 'Love' England, and when we were there, at 'Victoria Station,' we got into a 'wonderful conversation' with some Scotts at one of the upstairs cafe's there! They seemed so 'full of life, and good cheer! In fact, we loved 'Victoria Station' itself, so much so, that we wanted to rent a hotel room within it! Of course there was none, and we already had reservations to stay at a hotel in Bloomsbury, the theatre district.

Have never been to Scotland, except for The Travel Channel!

About the 'Royal Meower' ... She 'truely is in the 'danger zone' as far as her weight. That might be why she is 'moody!' It would be 'wise' to put her on a 'very gradual' diet, so that she will not 'drive you crazy for more kibble, until she is back to a 'safe' weight.

My cat Catiga is 'King of the Household,' and 'Boutiqui is definately a 'Queen!'

We also have two dogs! Mr. Puss, and Courtney! They each have their 'own' individual personalities as well, but they are 'All' ever so amusing, and very lovable.

Do stay in touch as well, lol, Shaunasea

Thanks for blogging back,

Scotts are ok, some can be most charming and others can be stuck in the past and have a rather big chip on their shoulder in regards to the english and what happened many many years ago!

 

It is rather gorgeous where i live, the beach is only about 5 minutes walk from my front door, it's ideal.

 

As for my cat, dinky has been on prescription diet food from the vet's for about 6 years, she attended the fat club run by the vets andas for her eating extras she doesnt get any. She is an indoor cat and doesn't know what to do with a piece of real food!

The vets are truely baffled, she'll loose a kilo here and there but puts it back on again the next time they see her!

She's always been moody, even as a kitten she would have funny half hours here and there, I've been told that it's common in tortie's......

 

I love the names of your cat's, how old are they? Dinky is 10 this year, i had another cat who passed away several years ago, 'tiddles' was nearly 26 when she had to be put to sleep, she to was gorgeous and the reason for us getting dinky as a kitten, tiddles mothered her, as dinky got bigger it was rather amusing as dink was alot bigger than tiddles (she was the runt of the litter and she was really tiny)!

 

Speak soon.

Sue