
I actually never heard of the "Golden Compass" till movie trailers began showing up on TV, so I suppose I can't really back up my claims but I will form my own opinion about this whole thing.
I'm not the most religious person in the world in fact I'm far from it. I wouldn't go as far as to say that I'm an atheist because I do feel that there has to be some kind of higher power out there. I cannot accept the thought of death being the absolute end, perhaps I'm just scared of it, whatever.
Anyway, saying that something like a movie would teach children atheism is rather silly. I imagine that most of the messages in the movie and possibly the book are quite subtle, and being able to pick out those subtleties is something that I believe children lack. Don't get me wrong I think children are smarter than what most people give them credit for, but I don't think they'd learn atheism from a book or movie without being taught.
Out of curiosity sake, when you first started going to church how old were you and were you able to grasp and understand the concepts being taught?
I'm not the most religious person in the world in fact I'm far from it. I wouldn't go as far as to say that I'm an atheist because I do feel that there has to be some kind of higher power out there. I cannot accept the thought of death being the absolute end, perhaps I'm just scared of it, whatever.
Anyway, saying that something like a movie would teach children atheism is rather silly. I imagine that most of the messages in the movie and possibly the book are quite subtle, and being able to pick out those subtleties is something that I believe children lack. Don't get me wrong I think children are smarter than what most people give them credit for, but I don't think they'd learn atheism from a book or movie without being taught.
Out of curiosity sake, when you first started going to church how old were you and were you able to grasp and understand the concepts being taught?
My dad is a pastor, so you guessed it, I have been going to church all of my life! I'm not sure at what age I really started to comprehend what I was being taught, but I suppose I was somewhere between 11 and 13 before I really started to come into my own about what my beliefs were and were not. That said:
I definitely agree with you that most of the messages in the movie & book are subtle. I must've been at least 15 or 16 when I read The Golden Compass, and I confess I did not pick up on the [anti?] religious undertones. I was by no means a child at this age, and I certainly don't think I'm unintelligent. I don't think the majority of children and perhaps even many adults would've made the parallel if there hadn't be so much hype about the movie.
I definitely agree with you that most of the messages in the movie & book are subtle. I must've been at least 15 or 16 when I read The Golden Compass, and I confess I did not pick up on the [anti?] religious undertones. I was by no means a child at this age, and I certainly don't think I'm unintelligent. I don't think the majority of children and perhaps even many adults would've made the parallel if there hadn't be so much hype about the movie.
Exactly, unless you are really trying to nitpick you wouldn't find the underlying tones and messages that are within the story. Most of the time you are simply after a good fantasy read. It isn't till later when you decide to to take something critically that you begin to notice these tones and messages. Case in point, when I read Eragon I thought it was a really good fantasy type novel. Wasn't till later that I realized how similar the story was to Star Wars. Now I wished I hadn't put it together like that.
Courtney congratulations on having a conversation with that kid. I COULD BARELY FOLLOW WITH ALL THOSE SPELLING AND GRAMMATICAL ERRORS OMG. I almost stopped reading . . . but I love you so I have to read your entries.
All this hype makes me want to see this movie and read these books.
I probably won't get around to doing either, though.
All this hype makes me want to see this movie and read these books.
I probably won't get around to doing either, though.
Hehe, I was tempted to correct his mistakes for the sake of my readers, but I decided to leave his words as they were. Thanks for loving me and sticking with it, lol.
I want to re-read the book, but my copy is at home in Carlsbad =[ I suppose there's always this option called the LIBRARY. Whatever that is.
I want to re-read the book, but my copy is at home in Carlsbad =[ I suppose there's always this option called the LIBRARY. Whatever that is.
Well, first point I'm going to make here is: Why the hell is it wrong to promote Atheism?!? I mean, it's the same damn thing than when Christians and Catholics are sending everyone to hell just because they don't follow the Church. Talk about hypocrisy.
But, okay, with that said, I'm going to congratulate you, Courtney. For not being one of those annoying Christians who just want to shove "believe in God" down our Atheits' throats. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.
I'm dying to see the movie and read the books. I confess I didn't know about them before the movie. Maybe only because deadite recommended them to me. But now that it's stirring up all this controversy, I'm not planning to miss it.
But, okay, with that said, I'm going to congratulate you, Courtney. For not being one of those annoying Christians who just want to shove "believe in God" down our Atheits' throats. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.
I'm dying to see the movie and read the books. I confess I didn't know about them before the movie. Maybe only because deadite recommended them to me. But now that it's stirring up all this controversy, I'm not planning to miss it.

I don't know why promoting Atheism is seen as different than promoting Christianity. Hypocrisy is right.
Nope, I'm certainly not an in-your-face, you're-going-to-hell-nonbeliever, let-me-ram-it-down-your-throat kind of Christian. I never have been and I don't plan on starting now.
In all honesty I don't remember much about the book, but I do remember enjoying it. I'd like to re-read it before I see the movie, but my copy is back in New Mexico. Michael and I already have plans to see the movie over winter break. Let me know what you think of both.
Nope, I'm certainly not an in-your-face, you're-going-to-hell-nonbeliever, let-me-ram-it-down-your-throat kind of Christian. I never have been and I don't plan on starting now.
In all honesty I don't remember much about the book, but I do remember enjoying it. I'd like to re-read it before I see the movie, but my copy is back in New Mexico. Michael and I already have plans to see the movie over winter break. Let me know what you think of both.
I agree. Most kids aren't going to pick up on the subtle hints of atheism if they're even in there. People read way too much into things and blow them way out of proportion. I'd never even heard about the movie until all this controversy about it being atheistic. If anything, it all makes me want to see this movie even more just to see what all the hype is about. I remember all the big ado over The DaVinci Code, and how it was sacreligious and whatnot. I watched it, and found it very interesting. Yes, it goes against traditional church beliefs, but it's immature that most Christians are so closed-minded they can't even accept that people have other opinions. I love learning about other religions to see what they believe and why they believe it. I also remember lots of Christians being offended by the Harry Potter series, being opposed to witchcraft and what not... However, my argument to them was "If you go into the bookstore to buy these books, what section are they in? The fantasy/fiction section. J K Rowling wasn't trying to pass this off as reality, she was just trying to write an entertaining novel, which she accomplished." I don't know what section this series is in, but judging from the previews, I'm guessing it's also in the fiction section. Most Christians today get offended way to easily, and I agree with you that to get so offended leads us to believe that their foundation is shaky. They wouldn't feel so threatened if they were more confident in their beliefs.
I'm glad you're open-minded about the movie. I used to get so pissed about people getting angry over the Harry Potter series. I mean, it's one thing for The Golden Compass and the Da Vinci Code to stir up some commotion, but J.K. Rowling is obviously an author of fiction, and the books are said to have Christian undertones, if any. (The end of the 7th book, ahem) I just can't believe people were offended by Harry Potter.
People get offended by freaking Disney Movies. The Lion King, Aladdin, Little Mermaid, etc. Stupid shit you have to like pause and do a frame-by-frame and really look for to even know it's there... Obvoiusly they have way too much time on their hands to go look for that... Especially since NO kid on earth is gonna notice that just watching the movie for fun. Ugh. People suck.
I'm glad you pointed out that Bob had something to say... otherwise I wouldn't have read it. My mind automatically started shifting over what he'd written, but you were right.
The exchange pretty much covers everything there is to say about it.
The exchange pretty much covers everything there is to say about it.
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