This is a bulletin posted by an acquaintance of mine from high school, and then the messages back and forth that followed. While this acquaintance, who, for my purposes we'll call "Bob" isn't exactly the brightest crayon in the box, I think what he has to say (masked somewhere behind all the spelling and grammatical errors) is interesting. Also, it wouldn't make any sense for me to simply post my end of the conversation. Anyway, whether you read all of this or not, tell me your opinion of the movie, the series, the author, and whether you plan on seeing it or not. I read The Golden Compass shortly after it was first published. My dad read it first, then passed it on to me. I enjoyed it though I did not read the rest of the series. Finally, I thought this article was the best of all the articles I read about the movie. I also started this thread in the forums.

----------------- Bulletin Message -----------------
From: Bob*
Date: Nov 16, 2007 4:48 PM

christians don't watch...
the golden compass..........

because the guy that wrote the book series, is not only an atheist, but openly hates God and c.s.lewis, he wrote them to directly contradict the chronicals of narnia, and teach children atheisim

at the end of the series, the 2 main characters, (2 children), kill one of the characters,..........

the characters name is "God"

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Courtney
Date: Nov 16, 2007 5:04 PM

I think all the negative hype around the Golden Compass is a bit ridiculous.

Have you read the book and formed your own opinions, or are you just feeding off of the media?

While I am a Christian and also a fan of C.S. Lewis, I read and enjoyed The Golden Compass, and I plan to see the movie. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I don't think suggesting atheism to someone is any worse than shoving Christianity down a person's throat, which, frankly, I feel happens all to frequently.

As far as the movie, reports state that The Golden Compass is the least atheistic of the three books in Pullman's series, and that some of the "most offensive" elements that appear in the novel were taken out of the movie.

It's simply a movie based on a work of fiction. If the church (the Catholic Church, primarily) is so threatened and scared by a movie that they believe it will cause people to turn away from the church, then the basis for their beliefs is not very strong at all.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, our opinions obviously differ on this subject. Just wanted to give you something to chew on.

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Bob
Date: Nov 16, 2007 7:38 PM

haha yes thank you. this is exactallt the reasoning behind my post. good discusion, sofar no one of any intelagent thought has responded.....

until now

first off yes, i have read them, and quite honestly enjoied them.but wut truly is rediculouse is that a ful grown man wrote a full book trilogy, simply to contadict another book series...

shoveing christianity or any other beliefs down any ones throught admitidly is wrong, agreed. but cowering in the fear of offending, i belive would be the worse of choices. so where is the middle ground?

no body is afraid that a movie will turn anybody away, it's a sence of pride fer wut we belive, and the truth. to not be in atleast the slitest way offended that some fool out there is useing his incredible storytelling ability to pourposly instill a faithlessness in the children of the world is sadening. the media rules this world. no book is just a book. no movie is just a movie. both are a pedastool. a power, and they demand attention.

i personally will stand against a man who sets out to poision the minds of the impressionable.

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Courtney
Date: Nov 16, 2007 6:18 PM

I guess I was presumptuous in assuming that you had not read the series. I think it's actually very interesting that Pullman wrote a series [His Dark Materials] in response to another [The Chronicles of Narnia]. It's almost like seeing both sides of a fight between two children.

You make a very decent point- where is the middle ground? As Christians we are called to share our beliefs with others. I will be the first to admit that I have a very hard time with this. If someone asked me my beliefs, I would gladly share my thoughts with them. However, I just don't feel it's my place to shout about my relationship with God- it's much more sacred and personal for me. Perhaps I should be a more active "witness" and share my faith, but maybe not. Maybe it's simply not my calling. But I'm getting a bit off topic here.

Basically, I just don't see any difference between C.S. Lewis, obviously a Christian author publishing a series of books [one of which later became a movie] that reflect his beliefs and Phillip Pullman, an atheist writer publishing a series [followed by a movie based on one novel] that reflect his. While I don't agree with what Pullman the way I do with Lewis, I still find his perspective interesting. I don't think it's a bad thing for Christians to question their faith. In fact, I almost hope this movie stirs something in the mind of children [and adults!]. I stand by what I said before- if the church is so threatened by a novel and a movie, then their foundation must be a bit shaky.

Still, I do see your point and if you do not want to support [by seeing the movie] an atheist, his views, and what he's putting out there, I fully respect that. I just have a problem with individuals blindly following what someone [in this case, the church] tells them to do [don't see The Golden Compass!] without forming their own opinion. Ironically enough, that's what Pullman's series is about.

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Bob
Date: Nov 16, 2007 8:30 PM

i do fer the most part agree w/ yer opinion, but my simple point is to let ppl know wut these books, and film are based apon. the title of the bulletin, was simply to catch an eye.

the one thing i disdisagree w/, if of yer off subject, subject. i think those who struggle w/ shereing, and whitnessing are those that truly have something profound to say, and should speek aloud, abouve the rumblings of the crowd. mostly because fer the most part, the ppl who have no problem w/ it are the crazy ppl you see on
the 10 o'clock news protesting funerals, and standing of street corners rageing on about the worlds end.

and yes i will see this one. but the 3rd, if made into a film, i will not, b-cause just reading about them killing "god" sickens me. i can't watch it.

*Name has been changed
 
   

 


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alfewi on
Re: The Golden Compass- Will you watch it?
I actually never heard of the "Golden Compass" till movie trailers began showing up on TV, so I suppose I can't really back up my claims but I will form my own opinion about this whole thing.
I'm not the most religious person in the world in fact I'm far from it.  I wouldn't go as far as to say that I'm an atheist because I do feel that there has to be some kind of higher power out there.  I cannot accept the thought of death being the absolute end, perhaps I'm just scared of it, whatever.
Anyway, saying that something like a movie would teach children atheism is rather silly.  I imagine that most of the messages in the movie and possibly the book are quite subtle, and being able to pick out those subtleties is something that I believe children lack.  Don't get me wrong I think children are smarter than what most people give them credit for, but I don't think they'd learn atheism from a book or movie without being taught.
Out of curiosity sake, when you first started going to church how old were you and were you able to grasp and understand the concepts being taught?
mystupidmouth on
Re: The Golden Compass- Will you watch it?
My dad is a pastor, so you guessed it, I have been going to church all of my life! I'm not sure at what age I really started to comprehend what I was being taught, but I suppose I was somewhere between 11 and 13 before I really started to come into my own about what my beliefs were and were not. That said:

I definitely agree with you that most of the messages in the movie & book are subtle. I must've been at least 15 or 16 when I read The Golden Compass, and I confess I did not pick up on the [anti?] religious undertones. I was by no means a child at this age, and I certainly don't think I'm unintelligent. I don't think the majority of children and perhaps even many adults would've made the parallel if there hadn't be so much hype about the movie.
alfewi on
Re: The Golden Compass- Will you watch it?
Exactly, unless you are really trying to nitpick you wouldn't find the underlying tones and messages that are within the story.  Most of the time you are simply after a good fantasy read.  It isn't till later when you decide to to take something critically that you begin to notice these tones and messages.  Case in point, when I read Eragon I thought it was a really good fantasy type novel.  Wasn't till later that I realized how similar the story was to Star Wars.  Now I wished I hadn't put it together like that.
HAUNTEDWHISPER on
Re: The Golden Compass- Will you watch it?
Courtney congratulations on having a conversation with that kid. I COULD BARELY FOLLOW WITH ALL THOSE SPELLING AND GRAMMATICAL ERRORS OMG. I almost stopped reading . . . but I love you so I have to read your entries.

All this hype makes me want to see this movie and read these books.
I probably won't get around to doing either, though.
mystupidmouth on
Re: The Golden Compass- Will you watch it?
Hehe, I was tempted to correct his mistakes for the sake of my readers, but I decided to leave his words as they were. Thanks for loving me and sticking with it, lol.

I want to re-read the book, but my copy is at home in Carlsbad =[ I suppose there's always this option called the LIBRARY. Whatever that is.
ingenue on
Re: The Golden Compass- Will you watch it?
Well, first point I'm going to make here is: Why the hell is it wrong to promote Atheism?!? I mean, it's the same damn thing than when Christians and Catholics are sending everyone to hell just because they don't follow the Church. Talk about hypocrisy.
But, okay, with that said, I'm going to congratulate you, Courtney. For not being one of those annoying Christians who just want to shove "believe in God" down our Atheits' throats. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.
I'm dying to see the movie and read the books. I confess I didn't know about them before the movie. Maybe only because deadite recommended them to me. But now that it's stirring up all this controversy, I'm not planning to miss it.
mystupidmouth on
Re: The Golden Compass- Will you watch it?
I don't know why promoting Atheism is seen as different than promoting Christianity. Hypocrisy is right.

Nope, I'm certainly not an in-your-face, you're-going-to-hell-nonbeliever, let-me-ram-it-down-your-throat kind of Christian. I never have been and I don't plan on starting now.

In all honesty I don't remember much about the book, but I do remember enjoying it. I'd like to re-read it before I see the movie, but my copy is back in New Mexico. Michael and I already have plans to see the movie over winter break. Let me know what you think of both.
lilmissangel127 on
Re: The Golden Compass- Will you watch it?
I agree. Most kids aren't going to pick up on the subtle hints of  atheism if they're even in there. People read way too much into things and blow them way out of proportion. I'd never even heard about the movie until all this controversy about it being atheistic. If anything, it all makes me want to see this movie even more just to see what all the hype is about. I remember all the big ado over The DaVinci Code, and how it was sacreligious and whatnot. I watched it, and found it very interesting. Yes, it goes against traditional church beliefs, but it's immature that most Christians are so closed-minded they can't even accept that people have other opinions. I love learning about other religions to see what they believe and why they believe it. I also remember lots of Christians being offended by the Harry Potter series, being opposed to witchcraft and what not... However, my argument to them was "If you go into the bookstore to buy these books, what section are they in? The fantasy/fiction section. J K Rowling wasn't trying to pass this off as reality, she was just trying to write an entertaining novel, which she accomplished." I don't know what section this series is in, but judging from the previews, I'm guessing it's also in the fiction section. Most Christians today get offended way to easily, and I agree with you that to get so offended leads us to believe that their foundation is shaky. They wouldn't feel so threatened if they were more confident in their beliefs.
mystupidmouth on
Re: The Golden Compass- Will you watch it?
I'm glad you're open-minded about the movie. I used to get so pissed about people getting angry over the Harry Potter series. I mean, it's one thing for The Golden Compass and the Da Vinci Code to stir up some commotion, but J.K. Rowling is obviously an author of fiction, and the books are said to have Christian undertones, if any. (The end of the 7th book, ahem)  I just can't believe people were offended by Harry Potter.
lilmissangel127 on
Re: The Golden Compass- Will you watch it?
People get offended by freaking Disney Movies. The Lion King, Aladdin, Little Mermaid, etc. Stupid shit you have to like pause and do a frame-by-frame and really look for to even know it's there... Obvoiusly they have way too much time on their hands to go look for that... Especially since NO kid on earth is gonna notice that just watching the movie for fun. Ugh. People suck.

cosina on
Re: The Golden Compass- Will you watch it?
I'm glad you pointed out that Bob had something to say... otherwise I wouldn't have read it. My mind automatically started shifting over what he'd written, but you were right.

The exchange pretty much covers everything there is to say about it.

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