In the case of Gonzales v. Carhart a nurse testifies about Martin Haskell killing a 26 1/2 week baby:

 

"Haskel went in with forceps and grabbed the baby's legs and pulled them down into the birth canal.  Then he delivered the baby's body and the arms-everything but the dead.  The doctor kept the head right inside the uterus . . . The baby's little fingers were clasping and unclasping, and his little feet were kicking.  Then the doctor stuck the scissors into the back of his head and the baby's arms jerked out, like a startle reaction  . . . . the doctor opened up the scissors, stuck a high powered suction tube into the opening, and sucked the baby's brains out.  Now the baby went completely limp."

 

I am undone.

 

Ladies, we have been lied to.

 

A baby can grow and live and come from our bodies.  How could we ever look on this with anything but amazement?

 

Is anyone out there considering abortion?

 

 
   

 


 
 
misterskank on
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A friend took RU 286 the day after her condom failed. The pill prevents a zygote from adhering to the uterine wall. It washes out of the body with menstrual fluid. What is your feeling about that?
myrrh on
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Why didn't she want to have a baby?

misterskank on
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None of my business, didn't ask, didn't care.
kitte on
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abortion is a touchy subject. everybody has their own opinion about it. as for me personally, I think that it is a terrible thing. especially the partial birth abortion mentioned here. Yet there are circumstances where abortion may be necessary or perhaps justified? a young girl raped and impregnated by her attacker..... I, myself would never do it. being a new mom with a 2 week old baby it hurts to even think about it. but i can not judge another for their actions, they are the ones that have to live with whatever decision that they make.
myrrh on
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Why is "I cannot judge another" becoming such a popular phrase?

What ever happened to truth?

misterskank on
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Ah! Finally! The judge exposed! Whatever happened to judge not lest ye be judged? I'm shaking your package again, girl!
myrrh on
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It is nice to hear from you.

I always enjoy our conversations.

 

I find it interesting that you clam no ties with religion, then spout religious jargon which appears to be out of context.

Is it your practice to borrow from this or that belief until you have a patchwork of theology that still leaves you cold?

misterskank on
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That's what I "clam," yes, and I'm happy as a clam, too, and not at all cold. As I've said before, I believe in "god" but not El, Zeus, Hera, Odin, Jehovah, The Lord, or Allah. Those malevolent, lonely, jealous, angry, murdering, torturing gods look suspiciously like human projections to me. I don't make a patchwork, though, just read and think and teach and write and enjoy my time in the beautiful horrible mystery. You seem on the verge of providing the "context" I've neglected, but these little reply boxes may not hold the whole bible and the cultural history from which it comes.
kitte on
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indeed. but does my opinion really matter to any of the women that decided to have this procedure or any of the others done? im not going to go and stand in front of a womens clinic and protest. they are the ones that have to live with the choices that they make. and im sure that someone, somehow, somewhere they will indeed be judged, just not by me. life is too short. I do agree with you though that many use that particular phrase more often. maybe it is there way of saying something without actually saying anything.
myrrh on
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What is the TRUTH?  I see deep regret and gut wrenching sorrow.  This is truth not judgment.

christianisrael on
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What happens in a society when life is devalued in this way?  Are there ramifications elsewhere?
myrrh on
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All I can say is I was raised in this society and until recently I didn’t understand the value of human life.  I have no reason or excuse.  Growing up I heard both sides:  One side saying it was wrong and murder, the other side justifying it for all the inconveniences that it would impose upon the mother.

 

So many words.

 

For me, it is simple.  In the end, what is the result?  What do I see?  I see girls who need counseling.  Why?  If this is just a medical procedure and nothing more, then why are these girls’ hearts torn asunder?

 

I have always enjoyed watching people, but now . . . I see each one.  Each physical body is a wonder and an amazing form.  But not only the body; as each inhabits that body, each has a chance to leave a legacy – a masterpiece.  What will you write?

misterskank on
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When men love babies as much as they love sex, abortion will cease.
christianisrael on
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When men love God and people more than they love themselves, abortion will cease.
misterskank on
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Neither of our formulations, I'm afraid, will ever come to pass.
christianisrael on
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You're probably right, unfortunately
misterskank on
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Ever think to ask these questions about the executions and genocides by the Lord of the Old Testament? If you would, you'd find one of the sources of modern war.
myrrh on
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Answer my question.

What is truth?

misterskank on
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Answer mine.
myrrh on
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What is the question.
misterskank on
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Ever think to ask these questions about the executions and genocides by the Lord of the Old Testament?

 

What is truth?

"Everything possible to be believed is an image of the truth." William Blake

myrrh on
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Oh Robert, I didn't ask you what William Blake says about truth I asked YOU.

 

Why won't you answer my questions?  You said ask them one at a time and so I have, yet the results are less than satisfying.

 

No, I haven’t thought to ask these questions about the executions and genocides by the Lord of the Old Testament.

 

Now, please answer my question with your own words.

 

What is Truth?

misterskank on
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Reality.
myrrh on
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Is reality your only truth?
misterskank on
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How many are there?
SaikotikGunman on
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At least 47.
misterskank on
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Thanks.
johnndepp on
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But what about abortions when you are a 13 year old rape victim who gets pregnant? I've never had an abortion but I am a 13 year old rape victim who got pregnant and had a child at 14years old. I can not look at him or be around him even though I know its not his fault.

myrrh on
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I am glad that you decided to have the baby.

johnndepp on
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it wasnt my choice to have the baby though
myrrh on
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Whose choice was it?
johnndepp on
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my parents

but either way hes healthy and happy living with his adoptive parents

myrrh on
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It sounds like your life has been difficult.  I am sorry for that.  I hope that somehow you will be able to see the miracle of his life no matter how violently it began.

johnndepp on
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I do see that him being born was a beautiful thing, its just takes a huge toll on someone who has/had to go through something like that. Most of the time I view it like I am being a sarrogate (sp) mother to provide that other family a child who cant have children of their own. Its pretty much a win win situation. I get to remain a child and go to school and live a some what normal life. He gets to have two parents who love and adore him. Parents who can provide food, shelter, clothes, schooling, health insurance, and anything else he might need. Everything that I couldnt do. Being 14 years old I could not make the mature decisions of caring for a child. He does know he is adopted. He knows who I am. He turns 6 on February 3rd. His parents tell him that he can contact me when ever he is ready. So far he hasnt really. The most he does is draw me pictures. His parents do tell me that what he does. Like how his grades are, what he does for fun like sports. things like that. So its not all bad.
myrrh on
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Wow!  What an amazing story.  I enjoyed reading every line.

I am glad that you have come to the place where you see the good that has come from adversity.

Thank you for sharing your story with me.

johnndepp on
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No prob! You learn things about people every day
misterskank on
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decisiontime on
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This is murder, having an abortion at 26 weeks. I keep going back and forth on how long into the 9 months, if it were up to me, women should be able to choose.  Clearly, one school of thought is that no abortions should be allowed.  In some recent blogs (I'd be glad to add you to my friends list if you'd like) I said that the cut-off should be around 4 months, but then I spoke with my wife about it, and now she has me feeling that the cut-off should be at around 3 months.  But it's not up to me -- the lawmakers haven't asked me for my feelings on the subject!

 
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