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They really should just give it up, legal or not. It will still happen.
That's what I think, too. People have been finding ways to get end unwanted pregnancies for centuries!
Sometimes I feel as if people aren't really fighting for the children. I feel as if they are fighting to punish people who get pregnant by trying to force them to carry it. My grandmother was highly religious and that was one of her most hard core views.
I think some people may really feel that way. I don't think all of the anti-abortion activists feel that way, but it wouldn't surprise me if some of them feel like "that fallen woman gets what she deserves."
Yeah, some not all. I know a few who really believe that its murder. But it's hard for me to feel that way I guess.
I agree...
*disclaimer* I EVEN AGREE - DESPITE that fact that for YEARS I was active in the pro-life movement - even on the National level through National Right to Life.
It's like beating a dead horse - no matter what, it's still dead.
I know you are very active in the pro-life movement, but I'm glad you don't make abortion the deal maker when it comes to backing a candidate.
Actually I am no longer active. I am still pro-life, but the hypocrits of northeast Tennessee Right to Life turned me from activitism when suddenly my religion and sexuality became an issue from them. As a result I even stepped away from the national level work I had been doing and simply do not claim any alliance with the pro-life movement what-so-ever. It's a shame that they had to take issue with my religion and sexuality when it has NOTHING to do what-so-ever with the pro-life/pro-choice movement. I guess you can say that they "made me see the light" because I honestly have fought with myself over just how pro-life I really am.
Whether a canidate is pro-life or not does make a difference for me, but I am no longer a single issue voter - I used to be though.
That's a damn shame. I know how passionate you are about the right to life. I'm sorry you were shunned by the other members in the movement.
I was only shunned by the local members here - and I'm aware I was only shunned through thier own ignorance. However I do not want to have any type of alliance with people who are so hypocritical. I am still friends with people on the National and States levels, but I no longer attend events. I was hurt very badly by the way the locals treated me here and through I expect no one will ever apologize, I just haven't been able to let go of it yet either.
I'm really sorry to hear this --- even as someone who is quite pro-choice. I know this is something which you have been passionate about and a legacy cause which your mother was a part of. From our conversations, you were a valuable asset to them -- as someone who was strong in her convictions even though you differed in opinion on other issues. And they had no right to hurt you like that.
Their loss...
-- S
Their loss...
-- S
I don't think they realized what they did, because now in places like this (public forums - whether online or in person) I can NOT say that I support them.
Yup, the real argument is...surgical tools or coat hangers?
Or good ol' pennyroyal!
oh my, my mom told me once that my great aunt tried drinking kerosene or sterno to make herself miscarry. She was so afraid to have it. Scary stuff.
Good Lord!
Thats what I said. lol
This is why I think it sucks religion and politics mix. And why, also, I think people are stupid for saying "politics isn't personal". Uh..it doesn't get more personal than you voting for a candidate based on religious beliefs. People are one-issue voters because their religious beliefs require them to be. You don't have to think to vote, and people's religions discourage that anyway. No matter what your candidate stands for, even if he had the power to solve WORLD hunger and WORLD homelessness, if he's pro-choice, you're probably not going to vote for him/her. That's how most of them work, anyway. Abortion is murder, I can't vote for a pro-choice candidate...but please, police the world and kill billions of unborn babies, infants, toddlers, and teenagers...but leave those unborn babies here in our own country alone because if you don't, my conscience can't take it!
Helping those of us who are already alive is just stupid.
Helping those of us who are already alive is just stupid.
I think the fact that abortion is a hot button issue as to who gets elected is sadly simplistic. If voting for a president who is "pro-life" really made a difference, why hasn't Roe vs. Wade been over turned after 35 years?
Because it's all about giving people an "out".
"Well, Peggy, we did our part by voting against abortion."
The candidates bet on that. Its a good strategy. It always works, and you never, ever have to produce any results. You just have to give those folks a way to get in good with the baby jesus...who, of course, was not aborted.
"Well, Peggy, we did our part by voting against abortion."
The candidates bet on that. Its a good strategy. It always works, and you never, ever have to produce any results. You just have to give those folks a way to get in good with the baby jesus...who, of course, was not aborted.
no, it's not
using this issue during this election is a Weapon of Mass Distraction..
following your timeline, regardless of Administration, incremental advances in everyone's civil rights have been made..except of course, those rights lost to the Patriot Act
using this issue during this election is a Weapon of Mass Distraction..
following your timeline, regardless of Administration, incremental advances in everyone's civil rights have been made..except of course, those rights lost to the Patriot Act
LOL! It truly is a weapon of mass distraction.
a little early for you girl..
You people are on fire this evening! =)
that means I can light another fattie up
Hiya Butch!
Hiya Butch!
hello, how have you been sir
resting cozy with my old dog
everyones partying..'cept me..
boo hoo
everyones partying..'cept me..
boo hoo
OMG it is Sunday, who on earth is partying tonight?! lol
And I notice the weapons of mass destruction are always aimed at women and gays... and now a dark man. What about the thousands dead from an unjust war? Religion loves war.
About loving war....notice how McCain always uses the word "fight" for everything. Why can't they use the word "work" instead? They really seem to like war and fight for everything.
The constant argument about abortion being about genocide of the unborn (as some Christians have put it here) makes me really upset. As if there isn't any other genocide happening in this world that needs equal if not more attention. They make it sound like as if women who get an abortion are getting it on the fly. It is not true. Most women suffer emotionally from the consequences. It may affect them a life time. More emphasis and support on education and prevention ought to be placed as well. But people like Gov. Palin want to place more emphasis on abstinence. That is surely not the answer.
I just think it's ironic that the majority of prolifers are against sex education in schools. It's kind of like being against drug abuse and alcoholism yet, being against teaching drug awareness.
My parents didn't let me participate in sex education and look where it got me - I'm still waiting for the period talk - and I'm now gay. Boy - that backfired on them.
LOL!
Very true. From what I've understood from a lot of these pro-life folks is they think that women who have or have had an abortion don't just have one, but have MANY abortions because they're so careless about getting pregnant...
That's absolutely false. I can guarantee that within the population of women who have had an abortion, there is a very, very small population of women who have had more than one, if any exist at all.
One of my aunts had an abortion when she was very young, about 18 or 19. These days she's very involved in her Mormon faith, and I know there is not a single day that goes by that she doesn't think about that baby and what could have been, and I think she may even regret it. It's not an easy decision by any stretch of the imagination.
That's absolutely false. I can guarantee that within the population of women who have had an abortion, there is a very, very small population of women who have had more than one, if any exist at all.
One of my aunts had an abortion when she was very young, about 18 or 19. These days she's very involved in her Mormon faith, and I know there is not a single day that goes by that she doesn't think about that baby and what could have been, and I think she may even regret it. It's not an easy decision by any stretch of the imagination.
I agree with you. I know of two women who had an abortion. It was not an easy decision by any stretch of the imagination. They also got a lot of counseling before hand to make sure that this is what they needed to do. I won't say the reasons for why they got one as it's confidential but it's definitely not because it was the best alternative. I also know that one of them til today suffers about her decision. I lost contact with the other woman but I know that she was devastated as well. It is such a personal issue that I won't allow others (like some here on the blog) to pass judgment as if they are any better than them.
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