“Ladies and Gentlemen, this is sick and disturbing: they are daring to slander a war hero.”

 

Who said this, and to whom was he or she referring?

 

If you would have guessed a democrat discussing the murder of John Kerry’s character during the 2004 presidential election, you’d be wrong.  It was media personality Sean Hannity discussing the democrats’ lambasting of General Petraeus. 

 

Now, I don’t disagree that the dems have been rough on the general, but Hannity was one of the witch hunters during the burning of Kerry at the stake.  Kerry, a proven war hero, who was slandered beyond belief.  And now Hannity has the gaul to be upset that democrats are “slandering a war hero?”  Are you kidding me?

 

But that’s not even what bothers me the most today.  It has to do with a caller into his syndicated radio show; a caller who said that liberals are living in a fantasy world and need to re-enter reality.

 

Hannity of course agreed, and I’d just love to know what exactly reality is.

 

President Bush spoke last night, and again reiterated his point that we have to help Iraq become a democratic state so that they can become an ally in the war on terror.

 

Does anyone else see a problem with this?  Wanting a country to be our ally isn’t the problem, but assuming that this brand new, budding state would be a helpful ally is.

 

Let’s think about this.  They’re going to be a brand new democratic society.  They’re going to be building their government, focusing on their systems, making sure everything is working out.  What are they going to be able to do to help us on the war on terror?  They’re going to have their own problems creating a new country.  That’s not an ally.  That’s just a country that doesn’t hate us.

 

But beyond that, let’s get to the much bigger problem.  Bush can compare Iraq to the original U.S. colonies as much as he wants, but they are different from us, and we can’t project our traits onto them.  The different groups that make up Iraqis hate each other.  They don’t trust each other.  They have been killing each other for thousands of years.

 

Do you think that’s just going to go away?

 

Take a look at the recent Iraqi sharing of oil – that was a great moment.  People that hate each other never want the person they hate to have money, but the shared, they came to an agreement, they worked together.  How long did that last?  It’s already falling apart.

 

Why?  Because deep in their souls they hate each other.  So what’s going to happen when Iraq is finally a democratic state?  They’re going to think, “Wow, that’s cool, we can vote now.  This is great.  Oh but wait, I still hate this guy, he still betrayed my ancestors, and I need to slit his throat.”

 

I don’t mean to peg all Iraqis as Neanderthals (not all of them kill each other, sometimes they just make another's life a living hell for being a different part of the same religion), but why do we assume everything is going to be peachy once they’re a democratic state?  Why don’t we assume that as soon as we leave – maybe six minutes later, maybe six months later – the country is going to swirl back into turmoil again?  Why don’t we assume that a group will try to overthrow the president and become a dictator?  Why don’t we assume that the thousand years of hatred and civil war will continue? 

 

We banded together to form the original 13 colonies, but they aren’t us.  They don’t think like us, they don’t see the world like us.  When are we going to realize that their views and our views are different?

 

And when is that going to be considered reality, as opposed to the fantasy that Hannity and his callers have absorbed?  

 
   

 


 
 
askjesse on
Re: The Right Reality
There really is nothing simply about what the Bush Administration has been trying to do. That is why it has been doomed from the start. It isn't like they just stumbled onto a regular hornets nest, they stumbled into a florescent green mutant hornets nest that everyone knows to avoid. No one was blind to what was going to happen after the government was removed. I will always love the quotes from George H. W. Bush about Iraq...

"In their book, A World Transformed, (Alfred A. Knopf, 1998) George H. W. Bush and Brent Scowcroft lay out precisely why invading and occupying Iraq was a bad idea. Their reasoning was almost prophetic.

"While we hoped that popular revolt or coup would topple Saddam, neither the U.S. nor the countries of the region wished to see the breakup of the Iraqi state.


We were concerned about the long-term balance of power at the head of the Gulf.


We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well.


Under those circumstances, furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-cold war world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the U.N.'s mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression we hoped to establish.


Had we gone the invasion route, the U.S. could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different--and perhaps barren--outcome." -- From The American Assembler


One of the greatest challenges to foreign relations of all sorts, both in war and peace, are there different viewpoints. Right now, everything that is happening in Iraq should be up to the Iraqis. If that means a government that is vastly different than our own, then so be it. Honestly, they probably be better off with a government like Switzerland or something.


sandyquill on
Re: The Right Reality
That is why it has been doomed from the start. It isn't like they just stumbled onto a regular hornets nest, they stumbled into a florescent green mutant hornets nest that everyone knows to avoid. No one was blind to what was going to happen after the government was removed.

A) love that

B) I learned about that concept from reading a Tom Clancy novel. 

C) Heartily concur.
daenarys on
Re: The Right Reality
I almost wonder if Iraq shouldn't be divided like Israel and Palestine. Stick the various sects into their own quasi state, and be done.
bbmyls2go on
Re: The Right Reality
while your intent and observations are correct, you keep asking why don't "WE".  The truth is "WE" don't.  Dubya and 30-ish percent of the population do.  And since Dubya is calling the shots, WE don't have much effect on the outcome.  Too bad WE don't have the national balls to impeach or overthrow "THEM".

btw - nice to see you still around.bb

mullows on
Re: The Right Reality
Excellent point, actually.  Well done.

And thank you.
serveandprotect on
Re: The Right Reality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-Po8uJeoUw

http://www.gangstalkingworld.com/Handbo ... enEvil.pdf


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