
Cost to make movie: 300 million
Peter Jackson's salary: 299.5 million
Thanks for the warning, I'll save my money.
Peter Jackson's salary: 299.5 million
Thanks for the warning, I'll save my money.
i thought it was a good film so there
That's fine. I'm not saying you can't think that. Although I will ask what you liked about it. Besides the special effects and action scenes, what did you like about it?
And would you call it a great film like classics and Oscar winners from the past are?
And would you call it a great film like classics and Oscar winners from the past are?
... which is why we should all remember that "American Pie's 'Band Camp'" hits DVD tomorrow -- no green screens or CGI there!
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Actually no, we aren't comparing at all. We are calling them polar opposities. Notice how I was talking about CG for King Kong, and Shiny pointed out that there is no CG in American Pie. That is contrasting, not comparing.
first of all the sarcasm not appreciated at all....second of all. i think you all need to get over it cause we are in the damn 21st century wether we like it or not the world in technology is moving forward. people will from here on out feel y spend the actual time to do something for real when we can fake it so well on computers....i am not saying they are completely right in thinking this cause yes some movies would be a hell of a lot better if they used real sets but in other instances some of them would look like crap if they used real sets and no CG. but wether all you movie buffs are ready for it or not the world of technology is moving forward and probaby will never go back.
no actual from what i gathered of your post it was to bitch wah wah i'm a movie geek and things weren't like they were. things are never like they were and never will be .the world is moving on in technology. it's time to move along with it. and again don't appreciate the sarcasm thanks....
I'm sorry that you don't appreciate the sarcasm. I don't appreciate you degrading my post and saying it was to bitch wah wah.
I respect your comment that the world is moving on in technology. As a person obsessed with technology, electronics, and gadgets, I'm fully aware of that. I do not, however, know what, "Things weren't what they were" means. If they weren't what they were then what were they?
If you meant things aren't what they are, then thank you so much for explaining the complexities of the world to me. Things are no longer what things once were. Instead, they are what they are now. Wow, that's really deep.
The dinosaurs in King Kong do not look real. The lava island in Episode III does not look real. As a movie geek, I am allowed to not like the fact that none of that looks real. I fully understand that technology is moving on. That doesn't minimize the fact that the dinosaurs in King Kong don't look real, and that a scene where nothing was actually in front of a camera and, in fact, there was no camera, means that the scene is a clip of animation.
And actually your response was the point of my post. You say that in terms of movies, "the world of technology is moving forward and probaby will never go back." That's what my post is saying. Movies like King Kong are the future of moviemaking. There is no going back. But guess what? I'm allowed to not like that and think that it will hurt the industry.
I respect your comment that the world is moving on in technology. As a person obsessed with technology, electronics, and gadgets, I'm fully aware of that. I do not, however, know what, "Things weren't what they were" means. If they weren't what they were then what were they?
If you meant things aren't what they are, then thank you so much for explaining the complexities of the world to me. Things are no longer what things once were. Instead, they are what they are now. Wow, that's really deep.
The dinosaurs in King Kong do not look real. The lava island in Episode III does not look real. As a movie geek, I am allowed to not like the fact that none of that looks real. I fully understand that technology is moving on. That doesn't minimize the fact that the dinosaurs in King Kong don't look real, and that a scene where nothing was actually in front of a camera and, in fact, there was no camera, means that the scene is a clip of animation.
And actually your response was the point of my post. You say that in terms of movies, "the world of technology is moving forward and probaby will never go back." That's what my post is saying. Movies like King Kong are the future of moviemaking. There is no going back. But guess what? I'm allowed to not like that and think that it will hurt the industry.
look you can think what you want to think and i will think what i want to think. i don't agree with all your views. i thought the movie was amazing. cheesy yes but really good. most people will disagree with me and you know what i don't care. i welcome cg with open arms. i think the further and faster the better. you can do so much more with cg. bring new worlds here that you could never do with regular filming and sets. never. look at the lake scene in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. if they had made that a set it would never have worked if you read how the lake was described in the book. never. so you can have your opinion and have fun with it. i have said what i want to say and i'm done.
Wait, don't be done yet. I just have one question.
If you think King Kong was cheesy than how can you say it was amazing? Entertaining, yes. But amazing? Cheesy and amazing shouldn't be able to describe the same thing, unless you are saying amazingly cheesy.
If you think King Kong was cheesy than how can you say it was amazing? Entertaining, yes. But amazing? Cheesy and amazing shouldn't be able to describe the same thing, unless you are saying amazingly cheesy.
the dialogue was cheesy and it was supossed to be. visualy it was amazing. i liked all the actors the scenes were really cool. the only thing about the movie i hated was the natives on the island other than that i had no problems with the movie at all.
Thanks for the review. I don't think I want to see it. Your description sounds like acting of the silent era. And they didn't have all the technology available to them nor did they have much knowledge of the potential of film with respect to editing, etc....
So in some ways with the fancy technology we're going backwards. Unless! We haven't realized yet how to make use of the technology just like how filmmakers of the silent era were still trying to determine that one does not have to shoot in sequence or use over dramatic acting like on stage to bring across emotions on celluloid....
Well, I think part of the problem with CG is that it will never look 100% realistic because whatever is being CGed is existing in a different place from the actors. In my opinion, the original Jurassic Park looks sooo much more realistic than King Kong. In that movie, the dinosaurs were giant puppets worked by tons of puppeteers, and because they were puppets, they were actually there with the actors, sharing the same space with the actors. When the T-rex eats the lawyer, a giant puppet is grabbing the man. When King Kong is holding Ann Darrow, it looks like Noami Watts is being suspended by a rope and a King Kong hand was painted in over her.
There is a scene in King Kong when a bunch of dinosaurs stampede past running humans. It looks entirely fake. It looks like in the 50's when the main character would drive a car and you'd see him moving the steering wheel right and left while a screen behind him played a road being driven on. It really looked that bad. There was a close-up of Adrian Brody who looked like he was running in place and these dinosaurs were moving behind it, but it didn't look like the dinosaurs were behind it, it looked like they were 3-D animations on a screen behind him.
I don't know if CG can improve beyond this movie. I don't think CG can ever be 100% realistic. I just don't see how it can substitue something actually being there.
There is a scene in King Kong when a bunch of dinosaurs stampede past running humans. It looks entirely fake. It looks like in the 50's when the main character would drive a car and you'd see him moving the steering wheel right and left while a screen behind him played a road being driven on. It really looked that bad. There was a close-up of Adrian Brody who looked like he was running in place and these dinosaurs were moving behind it, but it didn't look like the dinosaurs were behind it, it looked like they were 3-D animations on a screen behind him.
I don't know if CG can improve beyond this movie. I don't think CG can ever be 100% realistic. I just don't see how it can substitue something actually being there.
You have a point there. In the past various technologies like 3-D and *smello-vision* have been introduced - but they all failed with the audience. When filmmakers realize this they will stop making so much use of it. I don't think CG will go away but I hope that filmmakers will realize that good storytelling continues to be based on human acting and bringing human emotions across....
Technology will get better, just like it always has, and filmmaking will go on changed, but better for it. Stop action King Kong wasn't very realistic, either, but people liked it. There are always going to be movies without CG, because low budget, high grossing movies are still the preferred film-making market. Comedies, Romance, Drama, Thriller... even Horror movies aren't using much CG yet, which is a shame because they usually have horrible acting anyway.
Acting with CG is still weird and akward, that is for sure. No one has been trained for it, not to use it in their films and not to act with nothing because of it. It must be as hard for these actors as those that had to pretend to drive the cars that weren't moving. "Now... pretend that you are taking a hard right turn! Yes! Now you are driving down some stairs.... no more bouncing!!"
Acting with CG is still weird and akward, that is for sure. No one has been trained for it, not to use it in their films and not to act with nothing because of it. It must be as hard for these actors as those that had to pretend to drive the cars that weren't moving. "Now... pretend that you are taking a hard right turn! Yes! Now you are driving down some stairs.... no more bouncing!!"
I will agree with much of what you say, but in my opinion, movies like Crash are actually the rarities, and the big huge need to be mega blockbusters in order to break even are becoming the standard.
Just take a look at Troy, Kingdom of Heaven, the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, the Matrix sequels, the Harry Potter movies, the Chronicles of Narnia, War of the Worlds, Sin City, Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, the Poseiden Adventure (which cost over $150 million), King Kong (which cost over $200 million), the two upcoming Pirates of the Carribean movies (which both costs over $200 million each), Van Helsing, the Spiderman and X-Men trilogies, the upcoming Superman Returns, even the grounded and generally realistic looking Batman Begins, and the three most recent Star Wars flicks.
Ask how many people have heard of A History of Violence and Brokeback Mountain and then ask how many people have heard of the movies I just named and tell me which type of movie is more the norm these days.
Just take a look at Troy, Kingdom of Heaven, the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, the Matrix sequels, the Harry Potter movies, the Chronicles of Narnia, War of the Worlds, Sin City, Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, the Poseiden Adventure (which cost over $150 million), King Kong (which cost over $200 million), the two upcoming Pirates of the Carribean movies (which both costs over $200 million each), Van Helsing, the Spiderman and X-Men trilogies, the upcoming Superman Returns, even the grounded and generally realistic looking Batman Begins, and the three most recent Star Wars flicks.
Ask how many people have heard of A History of Violence and Brokeback Mountain and then ask how many people have heard of the movies I just named and tell me which type of movie is more the norm these days.
I haven't seen the movie yet, and I will most definitely sometime soon...
Yea, I do often find myself thinking about all the lost emotion found in acting on blue screen, or having a scene filmed entirely in CGI. I don't like that aspect of a movie.
But when I see a film like King Kong (Mostly CGI, etc) I'll usually enjoy it...if not for good acting, than for the endless hours of brilliant animation (I love Toy Story, AND The Incredibles, lol).
That's what I will most likely end up loving about this movie. Usually when a movie this "big" comes out, chock full of animation, than the acting isn't really a factor anymore, because I understand that, hey, you're not going to perform as well as movie history's best actors when there is nothing to affect you in the scene. Sure, it helps not to give an utterly flat performance (for example, see Star Wars II and III, Hayden Christensen as Skywalker), but usually I'm more passive, with the more animation.
The more real scenes used, the less animation, I accomodate for better acting.
I enjoy the high grossing movies very much. They, usually, are the ones that make me excited, and energetic afterwards, with the action.
But the ones that live in my memory as, "holy crap, what a well written, directed, acted movie, etc etc" are ones like you mentioned. Donnie Darko, Eternal Sunshine, Crash, and more lesser known movies.
But the ones I
Yea, I do often find myself thinking about all the lost emotion found in acting on blue screen, or having a scene filmed entirely in CGI. I don't like that aspect of a movie.
But when I see a film like King Kong (Mostly CGI, etc) I'll usually enjoy it...if not for good acting, than for the endless hours of brilliant animation (I love Toy Story, AND The Incredibles, lol).
That's what I will most likely end up loving about this movie. Usually when a movie this "big" comes out, chock full of animation, than the acting isn't really a factor anymore, because I understand that, hey, you're not going to perform as well as movie history's best actors when there is nothing to affect you in the scene. Sure, it helps not to give an utterly flat performance (for example, see Star Wars II and III, Hayden Christensen as Skywalker), but usually I'm more passive, with the more animation.
The more real scenes used, the less animation, I accomodate for better acting.
I enjoy the high grossing movies very much. They, usually, are the ones that make me excited, and energetic afterwards, with the action.
But the ones that live in my memory as, "holy crap, what a well written, directed, acted movie, etc etc" are ones like you mentioned. Donnie Darko, Eternal Sunshine, Crash, and more lesser known movies.
But the ones I
Donnie Darko and Eternal Sunshine are too teriffic movies. Did you see the Director's Cut of Donnie Darko?
I think one major problem with King Kong is that, in a way, it is trying to be those smaller films, only there's a big mega blockbuster hidden inside it. the first hour is nothing but character development. There are no monsters. There is no action. The only special effects are the entire CG constructed 1933 New York.
It's like Peter Jackson was trying to make a stirring drama, he just doesn't have the talent to pull it off.
I'd love to get your opinion once you see it. I'm hoping you'll still have an open mind about it despite my inflamatory comments.
I think one major problem with King Kong is that, in a way, it is trying to be those smaller films, only there's a big mega blockbuster hidden inside it. the first hour is nothing but character development. There are no monsters. There is no action. The only special effects are the entire CG constructed 1933 New York.
It's like Peter Jackson was trying to make a stirring drama, he just doesn't have the talent to pull it off.
I'd love to get your opinion once you see it. I'm hoping you'll still have an open mind about it despite my inflamatory comments.
Haha, of course. I've always thought Peter Jackson was unique in that a lot of his ideas I know I could come up with, yet he's making millions and millions more than me (consider his transition from his bad movies, to LotR. I could probably make a much better movie than the horrible ones he made pre-LotR. yet he still came out with LotR...lol I hope you understand?)
But yea, I still have a very open mind about it.
Your review of it can't be much worse than when I got TOLD the ending of The Village, and then heard, from countless amounts of people that it was the most terrible movie they've ever seen. This went on from the theatre release day to DVD release. I rented the DVD, watched it, and The Village is still one of my most favorite movies I've ever seen, regardless of everything people told me (including the ending. I had actually forgotten about the twist when I rented it.)
I will definitely tell you what I thought of King Kong when I see it.
Me and a friend are about to go see Chronicles of Narnia, so I'll tell you what I thought about it through one of my entries. Have a nice day, and welcome back. Jesús Christo man, I thought you was dead for a while.
But yea, I still have a very open mind about it.
Your review of it can't be much worse than when I got TOLD the ending of The Village, and then heard, from countless amounts of people that it was the most terrible movie they've ever seen. This went on from the theatre release day to DVD release. I rented the DVD, watched it, and The Village is still one of my most favorite movies I've ever seen, regardless of everything people told me (including the ending. I had actually forgotten about the twist when I rented it.)
I will definitely tell you what I thought of King Kong when I see it.
Me and a friend are about to go see Chronicles of Narnia, so I'll tell you what I thought about it through one of my entries. Have a nice day, and welcome back. Jesús Christo man, I thought you was dead for a while.
Oh I love The Village. I thought I was the only one in the world. I own it on DVD and get laughed at for it.
And uh, yeah, I guess I've been gone for a while, huh? Sorry about that.
And uh, yeah, I guess I've been gone for a while, huh? Sorry about that.
I do have to say in some cases CGI works when it is used in subtle ways. Did you see The Others with Nichole Kidman? I wasn't aware a movie like that would have CGI in it, but when I watched the making of it I realized it was used a lot. I also thought it was put to good use in What Lies Beneath. While I didn't actually like that movie because I thought it was a huge Hitchcock rip off. I liked the way the director explained why he made it. He said he wanted to make the movie he thought Hitchcock would have made in the era of computer effects.
Oh, CG definitely has its place. It was used to great effect in Fight Club (the shots behind the stove and when Edward Norton images his room is a furniture catalogue) as well as thousands of other movies. It even works really well when there is a lot of CG, like in War of the Worlds. My problem is when an entire scene is CG. Take the lava battle in Star Wars Episode III for instance. Did you see that movie? When Anakin and Obi Wan are fighting on the lava planet, everything but then looks totally ridiclously fake.
CG is great when used properly. Just lately movies are overusing it to compensate.
CG is great when used properly. Just lately movies are overusing it to compensate.
Yeah I saw that movie. I also saw the other three so called prequels. I was not a fan. The thing that made the first three so great was the fact that the sets were all built. He created a whole new universe. With the latest three installments he simply turned on his Apple Computer. I wasn't a fan of War of the Worlds. It was an ok movie at best. Speilberg hasn't impressed me lately. Although The Terminal and Catch Me if You Can were ok. A.I. was good, but you could totally see the parts that Kubrick wrote and the parts that Speilberg wrote. There were a lot of parts in Kong that looked fake, but I though the parts in the city were quite amazing. From what I understand he didn't use all CG, but lots of miniatures. There were about 800 miniature shots in the film. Of course you could totally tell in some scenes in the jungle. There was the scene in Central Park where they were sliding on the ice, you could totally tell it was a model.
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