"Is this chuch presbyterian?" she asked.

 

"Yes it is," I said.

 

"Good." She smiled strangely. "I don't agree with those catholics. red flag 1 I think ministers should be able to get married if they want." I nodded tentatively. "And," she continued, "I should have listened to my son... he told me about those priests... and now he's G-A-Y." red flag 2

 

"Ohhh...yeah, that's tough," I managed weakly.

 

"But I've come here today to worship the one true God," she said smiling strangely. Her mouth was formed into a gray smile, but her eyes were cloudy and distant. "Of course, we don't know God, but we know the trinity, right?"

 

"Umm... yeah...." When she started talking about chanting to buddha, red flag no. 3 came up. At our church, there's roughly a thirty percent chance that a new person coming in off the street is drug addicted, mentally ill, or both. Add to that the buffet style religion most people practice, and it becomes a real challenge to engage people in meaningful conversations that lead to any kind of truth.

 

When this woman asked me if she could bless the congregation with a song, I politely told her we had it covered. I excused myself and continued on with the preparations for the morning service.

 

Lately, I'm meeting a lot of these type of people. They're out of touch with reality. They wrestle with invisible enemies and mysterious dark forces. They medicate themselves with narcotics. Cliche christian platitudes bounce off them like tennis balls. My usual response is to nod at them for twenty minutes as they ramble incoherently and then find an excuse to walk away. Our church's response, sadly, is to tolerate them until they create a disturbance, then they're sort of pushed out the door.

 

I believe "sanity" is a relative term. I think we are all touched with a little insanity in certain ways we look at the world. Probably, some psychologist would find me unstable in that I've claimed to hear God speak to me. But, as subjective as it can be, there are those who's lives are obviously tortured by a tumult in the mind. In the teachings of Christianity, the mind seems to be so important. We have to hear, understand, and respond to the plan of salvation. We have to be able to grasp ideas like original sin, atonement for sin, and assurance of salvation. These thought processes are beyond the ability of the insane, so what about them? 

 

I want to know more about how these folks can be helped. I don't want to avoid them. I don't want to pretend they'll be all right. I don't want to see them barely existing on the streets, harrassed and helpless. My suspicion is that few mentally afflicted people in history have ever found relief.

 

In my years of church-going I've never seen anyone who suffered from mental illness "delivered," although, that was Christ's method (and also the apostles.) We seem to be far removed from that type of ministry in the 21st century. I know they can do wonders with prescription drugs today. Maybe psychiatric ministries are the answer. 

 

I don't really know enough about it to talk about it. I don't want to be ignorant, though. If anyone has some insight or knows of a good book on the matter please let me know.

 

 

 

 
   

 


 
 
thewomanwithin on
Re: A neglected matter
Having lived my life with a Bipolar mother, when you find the answers you seek, I beg you...please let me know! Wishing you an abundance of blessings.......
junsui on
Re: A neglected matter
I have two mentally ill people in my family.  God will judge each person according to their ability to understand (at least that's what I've always been taught).  Mentally ill people who are below a certain age level and are like children will be treated as children (my church doesn't believe in infant baptism).
The trouble with prescription drugs is that they are expensive, and the poor can't afford them.  The government tries to excuse their way out of helping as much as possible.  If the family isn't there to take care of them, they are on the street.  And sometimes the family isn't capable of taking care of them.  Government policies on the subject also make things rather...difficult, sometimes.  Mentally ill adults still have the right to refuse the medication, etc, even though sometimes they don't understand what it is that they are refusing.  There's a fine line to tread there, and the whole subject has to be approached with prayer.  I've never encountered a book on the subject either, so if you ever find one, please let me know.
rapsart on
Re: A neglected matter
A book I've read that was helpful to me was Derek Prince's "They Shall Expel Demons."  An intense title, and I don't agree with everything in the book.  But it helped me see things differently, more spiritually, as opposed to strictly psychologically. 

PH, I know where you're coming from...probably because I also come and go there on a weekly basis and experience the same people and the same frustrations of, like you said, people being politely tolerated until they are a disturbance.

My thoughts on the matter, although I do not often act upon them, are that one needs to get close enough to a person, either in conversation or in prayer, to get a sense of what's going on with the person spiritually.  Otherwise, you're not really doing anything for them by tolerating them (if they have like a spiritual blockage or are being harrassed by demons and you don't address it in some way), and they could be messing with others in the congregation and quenching the Spirit in worship services and other meetings.  I am not saying that every mental illness is the result of demons or all people that say random things are possessed, but it is possible, so it shouldn't be ruled out...I realize I have much more to say on the matter, so I will write my thoughts in my own blog...soon.  Thank you, PH, for bringing it up.

 
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