
Wendy and Myckie have both made great points. Here are a few of my thoughts, too.
First, if your SIL would have said from the get-go that her daughter had to come along, that would have given you the chance *right away* to say "well, I don't think this should be a kids included trip". It sounds like instead she waited until things were being discussed in more detail before she threw that monkey wrench in. Secondly, she said that she was deferring to you as to location. So that means your brother has NO say. If he wants to choose a location, then he can plan a trip separately, like Myckie said. I also wonder why SIL can't leave the daughter home with daddy while on this vacation? You made very valid points about not going to Spain, so I think those are things to stick with when discussing why that's not an option. You can't do it on the sly, and it takes a TON of planning time, so it may not be able to happen until closer to your mom's 76th bday. If your SIL insists that her daughter comes along, if you end up giving in and it's the 5 of you, I would insist that she pays the entire part of her daughter's way - not the 1/2 thing for the kid. You shouldn't have to pay 1/2 for her daughter.
Frankly, I am with Wendy. You should gently stick to your guns. If you have a child along, it's going to restrict what you're able to do, the activities you can enjoy, the time you're allowed to enjoy them, and the whole vacation is going to be a moot point. You need to take what the idea of this trip was meant to be, and make it exactly that. Don't let anything change it because it's for your mom, and it's important she has a wonderful time and a great experience in a place she's never been before. If you've been there already, you know what those experiences are.
I know these family matters can be sticky....but good luck, I know you'll do what's best!
First, if your SIL would have said from the get-go that her daughter had to come along, that would have given you the chance *right away* to say "well, I don't think this should be a kids included trip". It sounds like instead she waited until things were being discussed in more detail before she threw that monkey wrench in. Secondly, she said that she was deferring to you as to location. So that means your brother has NO say. If he wants to choose a location, then he can plan a trip separately, like Myckie said. I also wonder why SIL can't leave the daughter home with daddy while on this vacation? You made very valid points about not going to Spain, so I think those are things to stick with when discussing why that's not an option. You can't do it on the sly, and it takes a TON of planning time, so it may not be able to happen until closer to your mom's 76th bday. If your SIL insists that her daughter comes along, if you end up giving in and it's the 5 of you, I would insist that she pays the entire part of her daughter's way - not the 1/2 thing for the kid. You shouldn't have to pay 1/2 for her daughter.
Frankly, I am with Wendy. You should gently stick to your guns. If you have a child along, it's going to restrict what you're able to do, the activities you can enjoy, the time you're allowed to enjoy them, and the whole vacation is going to be a moot point. You need to take what the idea of this trip was meant to be, and make it exactly that. Don't let anything change it because it's for your mom, and it's important she has a wonderful time and a great experience in a place she's never been before. If you've been there already, you know what those experiences are.
I know these family matters can be sticky....but good luck, I know you'll do what's best!No, I want to wait and do it in person rather than by e-mail, so I'll see her T-giving week and get it all out in the open.
My SIL did say that she would pay for all of her daughter's expenses PLUS half of the rest of the trip, so that isn't an issue. It's just the fact of having a kid along (as much as I love my niece) that would sort of "ruin" things. She has her reasons for not wanting to leave her daughter at home, and I respect that, but it's sort of not my problem. She could have said, "You know, that's a lovely idea, but I can't leave Sarah home because of x, y and z, but thank you for thinking of me...have a wonderful time with Mom!"
"...it's sort of not my problem." Exactly. Does she understand how having your niece along would "ruin" (i.e. complicate, deviate from the original purpose) the trip? Or, have you not broached that topic with her yet? I completely understand where you're coming from in that regard - having a kid along in general, whether yours or hers or Myclette's (just for the sake of argument, Myckie) would completely change the course of the trip. When its just adults, just the gals, you can come and go as you please, there's no need to worry for naptimes or bedtimes, if anyone is old enough or mature enough or tall enough to visit a certain attraction (giggles)...there are basically no restrictions. Kids change all that - isn't that why some people choose not to have kids? Anyway, I hope this all works itself out. Did you have a date or time frame in mind for actually taking the trip?
Yes, you understand completely. I have not broached the subject with her yet...I didn't want to have that conversation by e-mail, and it's hard to talk on the phone, so I will discuss it with her when we visit at Thanksgiving. My mom's birthday is the end of Sept. '10, so I have almost a year to plan. 

Good luck with that on Thanksgiving! Hopefully you'll get some sort of resolution to the predicament and be able to start planning.
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