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Israel has far fewer restrictions

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Over the last week, many are asking why India does not "do a Gaza" on Pakistan, referring, of course, to an emulation of Israel's use of force against Terrorists Hamas-run Palestine, a territory from which rockets rain down on Israeli soil with reliable frequency (if not reliable destructiveness ...).


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The answer for this question comes always with a painful grip on reality, is simple: India does not because it cannot.


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Here are five reasons why:


1. India is not a military goliath in relation to Pakistan in the way Israel is to the Palestinian territories. India does not have the immunity, the confidence and the military free hand that result from an overwhelming military superiority over an opponent. Israel's foe is a non-sovereign entity that enjoys the most precarious form of self-governance. Pakistan, for all its dysfunction, is a proper country with a proper army, superior by far to the tin-pot Arab forces that Israel has had to combat over time. Pakistan has nukes, to boot. Any assault on Pakistani territory carries with it an apocalyptic risk for India. This is, in fact, Pakistan's trump card. (This explains, also, why Israel is determined to prevent the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iran.)


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2. Even if India could attack Pakistan without fear of nuclear retaliation, the rationale for "doing a Gaza" is, arguably, not fully present: Israel had been attacked consistently by the very force--Hamas--that was in political control of the territory from which the attacks occurred. By contrast, terrorist attacks on India, while originating in Pakistan, are not authored by the Pakistani government. India can-- and does--contend that Pakistan's government should shut down the terrorist training camps on Pakistani soil. (In this insistence, India has unequivocal support from Washington.) Yet only a consistent and demonstrable pattern of dereliction by Pakistani authorities-- which would need to be dereliction verging on complicity with the terrorists--would furnish India with sufficient grounds to hold the Pakistani state culpable.


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3. Israel enjoys impressive support from many countries especially from the Americans, in contrast to the Palestinians. No other state--apart, perhaps, from Britain--evokes as much favor in American public opinion as does Israel. This is not merely the result of the much-vaunted "Israel lobby" (to use a label deployed by its detractors), but also because of the very real depth of cultural interpenetration between American and Israeli society. This fraternal feeling buys Israel an enviable immunity in the conduct of its strategic defense. India, by contrast--while considerably more admired and favored in American public opinion than Pakistan--enjoys scarcely a fraction of Israel's "pull" in Washington when it comes to questions of the use of force beyond its borders. 


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4. Pakistan is strategically significant to the United States; the Palestinians are not. This gives Washington scant incentive to rein in the Israelis, but a major incentive to rein in any Indian impulse to strike at Pakistan. However justified the Indian anger against Pakistan over the recent invasion of Mumbai by Pakistani terrorists, the last thing that the U.S. wants right now is an attack--no matter how surgical--by India against Pakistan-based terror camps. This would almost certainly result in a wholesale shift of Pakistani troops away from their western, Afghan front toward the eastern boundary with India--and would leave the American Afghan campaign in some considerable disarray, at least in the short term. So Washington has asked for, and received, the gift of Indian patience. And although India recognizes that it is not wholly without options to mobilize quickly for punitive, surgical strikes in a "strategic space," it would--right now--settle for a trial of the accused terrorist leaders in U.S. courts. (Seven U.S Citizens were killed in Mumbai: Under U.S. law, those responsible--and this should include Pakistani intelligence masterminds--have to be brought to justice.)


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5. Israel has the privilege of an international pariah to ignore international public opinion in its use of force against the Palestinians. A state with which few others have diplomatic relations can turn the tables on those that would anathematize it by saying, Hang diplomacy. India, by contrast, has no such luxury. It is a prisoner of its own global aspirations--and pretensions.

 
   

 


 
 
disillusions on
Re: Five Reasons Why India Can't 'Do A Gaza' On Pakistan
We're already bombing pakistan.  Besides, India response was appropriate in that it's exactly what every country does when attacked by terrorists, whether real or imaginary, clamp down on the populace and reduce civil liberties.  
jst on
Re: Five Reasons Why India Can't 'Do A Gaza' On Pakistan
The bombing is in Pak-Afgan border.
disillusions on
Re: Five Reasons Why India Can't 'Do A Gaza' On Pakistan
What's your point?  If you get killed close enough to another country it doesn't count?  
jst on
Re: Five Reasons Why India Can't 'Do A Gaza' On Pakistan
Terrorist activities in India are organized by Pakistan from PoK(Pakistan occupied Kashmir).
disillusions on
Re: Five Reasons Why India Can't 'Do A Gaza' On Pakistan
Yeah I bet.  So where's the evidence?  Are there trials?  Did they show the proof?  Can you provide a link?

Doesn't matter whether they were legitimate or not in any case, Indian citizens will suffer a loss of rights under their own government which will exceed any damage a couple of nutjobs could do.
jst on
Re: Five Reasons Why India Can't 'Do A Gaza' On Pakistan
I didn't understand what you meant by saying "Indian citizens will suffer a loss of rights under their own government which will exceed any damage a couple of nutjobs could do"
disillusions on
Re: Five Reasons Why India Can't 'Do A Gaza' On Pakistan
I mean the loss of rights the Indian citizens will suffer from their government in the name of security will far outweigh the actions of some random gunmen.
jst on
Re: Five Reasons Why India Can't 'Do A Gaza' On Pakistan
what do you mean by loss of rights? can you tell me some rights we lost.
disillusions on
Re: Five Reasons Why India Can't 'Do A Gaza' On Pakistan
You do understand what will means right?  It's a future participle.  Meaning it hasn't happened YET.  But whatever.  Here's an example of what I'm talking about

http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?id=ENGNAU200812238798

I heard about these attacks from a friend of mine who lives in Mumbai who's in agreement with me on this.  You sound just like all the people in this country after 9/11 who thought those of us trying to warn about loss of civil liberties were full of shit.  Now half of our bill of rights has been eroded by our patriot act, and it's always been true that although we always get some of these rights back when these kinds of legislation are passed, we never get them all back, so over time there is a gradual but steady erosion.
jst on
Re: Five Reasons Why India Can't 'Do A Gaza' On Pakistan
I don't agree with these foolishness. Let these fools of Amnesty go to terrorists and get us ordinary people some rights from them. It is always easy to blame an estabishment rather than the root cause. The perfect example is Israel-Hamas fight in Gaza.

As death toll is mounting from Israeli aggression everyone is putting Israel as the culprit. But no one even bothers to mention the fact that it was Hamas who broke the truce by firing rockets to jewish settlements.

The mass killing of Women & Children is because of the fact that they are acting as human shields to protect the leaders of Hamas.

Look at an excerpts from a speech by Hamas MP Fathi Hammad, broadcast on Al-Aqsa TV on February 29, 2008: [The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life."

Hamas’s Al-Aqsa TV called upon children to form a human shield at the home of Abu al-Hatal of the a-Shouqaf quarter of Sajaiyeh in order to protect the building from an anticipated IDF airstrike.

Gazan women were used as human shields to allow besieged Hamas gunmen to flee from Israeli forces in Beit Hanun.

The IAF warned Muhammad Weil Baroud, responsible for firing Kassam rockets at Israel, to evacuate his home in Beit Lahiya in advance of an air strike. Instead, hundreds of locals, mostly women and children, were recruited to Baroud's house. Israel suspended the air strike, lest these human shields be harmed. In response to the incident, Hamas crowed: "We won. From now on we will form human chains around every house threatened with demolition."
disillusions on
Re: Five Reasons Why India Can't 'Do A Gaza' On Pakistan
Funny, because there are plenty of reports which say something more like this...
"On November 4 2008 Israel launched an incursion into Gaza and broke the cease-fire, killing six Palestinian anti-occupation fighters. The aim of this attack was not to stop rockets being fired into Israel as it now claims (and what Egypt’s government endorse with its silence); rockets were silent for some time then. As for Israel, it planned this war for months (you can see it here www.haaretz.com)"

Which you can find here
 
http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/stevenlamini/2009/01/17/israel-broke-the-cease-fire/

I heard the same thing on Democracy now last week as well.

You have to be at least a little stupid to think that our media is in any way biased AGAINST Israel. 

They're acting as human shields to protect the terrorists?  This isn't worth continuing to read or even reply to.  Either you swallow anything that supports your flawed view no matter how implausible or stupid, or you are some sort of propagandist.  In any case I'm not going to waste my time trying to have a rational argument with someone who's going to be uttering such childish nonsense.
jst on
Re: Five Reasons Why India Can't 'Do A Gaza' On Pakistan
You are living in a sweet cocoon. You don't really understand what is really happening. You think that what you can't accept or understand don't happen.

The media is biased AGAINST Israel as they are biased AGAINST Catholic Church.

After a long time i have seen in an article in news site relating to Vatican

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Vatican_accuses_Obama_of_arrogance/articleshow/4027443.cms

 
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