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♥ Wendy
♥ Wendy
Your insane rant against President Obama who has been in office for just beyond six months reveal a lot about both your intellect and you blind political [and possible racist] passion.
That's right, the same folks who helped New Orleans recover from Katrina. Oh, wait. That's still a disaster, FOUR YEARS later. Yes, the same entity and policy genius that provided the toxic trailers for poor people to live in, which caused them to get sicker than they already were, the trailers that are STILL THERE. THAT federal government. That was Cheney-Bush you fear-mongering, unpatriotic, despotic, knee-jerk, idiotic, neoconservative, goonish [FUDKING]retrograde, redneck Republican
The nightmare you rave against is behind you. It is over. The cesspool, muck and mire President Obama is leading out of was created, intentionally created by the illegal Cheney-Bush regimes.
Think I'm exaggerating? YES!
Think this is just Republican sour grapes? YES! Of course it is. You fudking insane, immoral, incompetent fascists fool were not successful at stealing another presidential election so what you are about now, creating chaos, is precisely what you are about. It is simply that simple; idiot.
Of course Obama ain't no saint. I never heard him or heard tell of him claiming to be.
He is also not a dictator or dictatorial like the Cheney-Bush cabal was. He, Obama, has knowledge of and respect for The Constitution of The United States of America. Under Cheney-Bush it was as meaningless as used toilet tissue. "That worthless piece of paper." G W Bush.
But radical times call for radical measures. So, I take this to mean it is time to employ terrorist tactics right here in the motherland. Is it so? Is this what Rush, and Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck and O'Riely have directed and driven to you to? You, sir, are without doubt a fudking idiot and real and present danger to the life of President Barack Obama, to the system of democratic rule under The Constitution of The United States of America.
This is my response in brief to your lunatic rant. It will be posted as an entry on my blog because I suspect it will not survive long as a reply to call to terrorism here.
Sincerely in pursuit of happiness, truth, peace and justice,
David Tecumseh Schmidt, Patriot
"...if you can't see clearly enough to stop him ..."
Ah, stop him how? You got suggestions? Got plans? Got a date or a schedule? What? You working with anybody on this dire need to "stop him"? OOPS! That would be a secret I guess.
"...before he gets away with it. "
Before he gets away with what?
Anyhow, all I can say, friend, is that when YOUR taxes get raised again, and YOUR health care--whatever it is--gets superseded by ObamaCare, and YOU have to wait five months to get an X-ray like they do in Cananda, [sic] and YOUR mother can't get chemo because she's "too old" and is instead given "end of life counseling..."
Damn man, you good. You can see all that from where you sitting? You must be living quite well with such keen and rare ability. Hey, did you foresee Cheney-Bush bailing out AIG and Lehman Brothers? What about that ENRON thing run by W's buddy "Kenny Boy Lay" . Oh, and CitiBank and Bank of America and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? You saw that coming too, I bet.
I'm a little mystified though. With such good sight and perception of things like socialism, why can't you see that the hundreds upon hundreds of billions of dollars which United Statesese citizens, we taxpayers will have to ante up, chip in or however ya want call the milking we got when Cheney-Bush decided we taxpayers will cover those corporation losses, that that is socialism. You cannot see that it is socialism? IT IS SOCIALIZING LOSSES WHILE PROFITS REMAIN PRIVATE!
Again, I am mystified. I just can't fathom you not knowing that that is socialism. Don't ya see it: THE SOCIETY IS PAYING THE DEBT OF MISMANAGED AND FRAUDLENT CORPORATIONS! IT IS SOCIALISM. Man, you so smart I don't see how you cannot see that IT IS SOCIALISM. Man!
Oh, on this loss of liberties thing. What has my president, legally elected and inaugurated [unlike Cheney-Bush who stole two elections], what has President Barack Obama, my president and your president until something is done to "stop him", what has he done in six months to diminish the liberties of United Statesese?
Cheney-Bush had illegal wiretaps, denial of habeas corpus, The Patriot Act and "If ya ain't with us ya agin us!" and stuff we ain't never heared of, I betcha.
Finally, what is wrong with my being sincerely in pursuit of happiness, truth, peace and justice? What's you problem with that?
Sincerely in pursuit of happiness, truth, peace and justice,
Mr David Tecumseh Schmidt, Proud United Statesese citizen and patriot of A United States part of North America [aka AUSPONA]
copyright: 08102207 2009 Qingdao, Shandong, China
It's what he intends to do that I'm worried about: imposing on us such things as what cars we can drive, how much we can heat and cool our homes, what kind of diet we must maintain, etc.
Here, I offer you a friendly and sincere suggestion. Get a copy of THE POWER OF NOW or A new Earth: Finding Your True Purpose In Life by Eckhart Tolle.
At age 67 my reading of A New Earth was a wonderful catalyst for me. It opened my eyes both outwardly and inwardly. When I return to The United States soon I have agreed to read The Power of Now with a beautiful, young Chinese lady who was once my student here in Qingdao. I am looking forward to that.
Just a suggestion Jack. Just a suggestion.
Sincerely, David
YOU put him there, YOU vouched for him, YOU defended him, YOU saw him as THE ONE who would save us from the horrors of Bush, People like you are the ones that put Bush here before Obama! Bush is who fucked everything up or did you have your eyes closed to every evil that man did? If Bush didnt steal the ekection and Gore was in there would be no need for Obama to be in. But since right wing nut jobs like you put that mad man in, Obama is the only one who can hopefully get us out of the lurch that Bush put us in. News flash: isn't funny how Obama's policies are working now and the economy is getting better? No wait, the economy healed itself. Thats right wing answer to everything....do nothing! Pathetic!
In the future Jack do a little research before you send a response so you don't embarrass yourself by not knowing the facts or proper spellings of a foreign dignitary's name! Pathetic!
Also, I thought several Americans crossed the Canadian border for healthcare..?
On a personal note, how are things going? I hope the work situation has improved for you. My fingers are tired from being crossed and its also hard to type that way =P
State finally passed the budget five months late. But there's just nothing, hopefully by January I'll get a full-time position.
You're lucky youre not in California, its horrible out here!
We all have a "right" to...let's see if I can make a brief list...food, clothing, affordable housing, health care, nice neighbors, indoor plumbing, a car that works, a college degree, a bit of sex from time to time, and an assortment of flashy neckwear. Wow you must feel very proud of yourself for this one. Seriously is this the best you have? Nice neighbors, affordable housing etc you consider those in the same league as health care? You are really showing your intelligence now. Health care differs from items such as flashy neckwear, a nice house, cool car etc because these are LUXURY ITEMS! It’s a PRIVILEGE to have such LUXURY items. Health care is a RIGHT, not a privilege! So you’re saying that only the PRIVILEGED are entitled to have health care? Only the rich or those who can barely afford it should be thankful for having health care at an outrageous price? Should people be smiling every time their premiums go up and up while the insurance companies find more ways to give them less and less? If that’s the case then you are one cold individual. Explain that to the 18,000 plus people who die every year because they can’t afford to see a doctor! Tell the 47 million Americans who can’t get health insurance because they can’t afford it or have a pre existing condition why they are not allowed to be so PRIVILEGE D to have health care! This is what those against health care do not understand. It’s the ‘all about me’ mentality. People like you who are so selfish because you have insurance and don’t want to be bothered with such things. You follow around like lambs to the slaughter because you think your health insurance will keep you safe. Just because you have a health insurance plan doesn’t mean you’re safe, hell no. If you get cancer and need chemo, your insurance company can deem the treatment as ‘experimental’ and not have to cover you. Or they will search your records and scrutinize it with a fine tooth comb to find any detail, any loop hole that shows this was a pre existing condition and deny you. This is happening everyday all around the country and you think the governments ALTERNATIVE PLAN will be any worse? At least they can’t deny you coverage!
I know what you’ll say next, you’ll say all the talking points like they’ll have death panels, they’re going kill off granny, it’ll be socialism, and so on and so forth. It is amazing that no matter how many times these BS scare tactics are disproven based on FACTS and EVIDENCE (which you clearly don’t care about) those that oppose health care reform either shout louder to so they think they’re right or switch to another scare tactic. And it’s not the Dems that are disproving the lies, it’s the Republicans that are disproving it as well. People like Sarah Palin and Michael Steele, who cause this insanity and then tell the truth by saying it wasn’t what they meant to say. Now looking at this from the outside with a non biased perspective, what would you say if you saw someone saying one thing then all of a sudden backtrack and say it wasn’t true what they said? Would you think they are full of shit? Anybody would. If it were a Democrat that did that I’d be the first to call them an asshole for doing that.
Oh you used the Marx quote! Oh my god I’m really screwed now aren’t I? I’m shivering in boots! The term means simply that in a socialist society, each worker is rewarded in accordance with the amount of labor that he contributes to society. This translates into productive workers earning substantially more than mediocre workers. It could also be extended to mean that the more difficult one's job is (whether this difficulty is because of greater training requirements or intensity) the more one is rewarded for his labor (look it up on the internet machine and you’ll find this explanation anywhere). Your whole argument about this is not true. If you work 40 hours a week and I work 5 hours, you will earn more than me. I will earn less. Sounds like Capitalism a little doesn’t it? You seriously think the reason that people can’t afford health care is because they don’t work hard enough? If that’s true then you are stupid! There are people out there with 3 and 4 jobs and still can’t afford it.
There are people busting their asses every day and will never get the care they need because of a pre existing condition. Now why is that? Why is it ok for the Big Insurance Company to control who can and can’t get covered? Why is it so Evil for the Government to provide an alternative choice of health care? Did you catch the KEY word in that sentence? CHOICE! Now how can it be socialism when there’s a CHOICE! And another thing did I say this health care would be free? Did any politician say it was going to be free? Did Obama say it was going to be free? NO, no one said it was free. Obama has clearly stated that you still have to PAY for the government health care, it will be cheaper! When things are cheaper that drives down costs. Why? Because it’s called competition! Competition is the back bone of Capitalism! Right now where is the competition when you can’t even get any kind of policy because of a pre existing condition?! This is the REAL PROBLEM: nit wits out there can’t get over the word socialism and look at the real issue for what it’s worth which is that only the privileged and healthy get health care. If you’re sick you’re fucked!
To stay on the social issue, I can see that you are hard core against anything social am I right? If you are that’s perfectly ok, that’s your right. But if you are a diehard anti social person then give up your Social Security card, refuse Medicare when you get old. Refuse to go to the post office. Settle a theft against your property without getting the police involved. Put out your own fire. Home school your kids. Why should you give these things up you may ask? Because these are all SOCIAL programs! It’s amazing how much we take these programs for granted, nobody ever questions that they might be SOCIAL. What does that tell you as a society? When change of idea comes it’s naturally difficult but look at the United States. We’ve had these programs for the last century and we’re not any closer to Socialism because of it. Now here’s the kicker, why can’t a government run health care coexist with private insurance? The United States Post Office coexists with DHL, UPS and FedEx. You’ll probably say that the USPS is losing money so that proves that government ran stuff can’t work against private companies. WRONG! The reason the USPS is losing money is because nobody is shipping letters like they used to because of this wonderful thing called E-mail! It has nothing to do with government entities not being able to compete with private industry. So don’t even go there.
By the way, did I say that any of these programs are free? No I didn’t. They get paid through our tax dollars. Why can’t our tax dollars go to pay for our health care. OR how about this idea, how about those that want the government health plan get taxed and those that don’t want it don’t get taxed? I would rather my tax dollar going to health care than an illegal and unjustified war for oil! No one seems to bitch about being taxed to drop bombs and kill people on the other side of the world. Why is that?
Look at most of the people at these town halls. What age group are they? It’s the older generation! They want the government out of health care but there will be hell to pay if they touch their Medicare! I’ll ask this, why is the elderly provided for and not the younger generation who is paying into THEIR Social Security?! Don’t tell them that those two things are government programs or they’ll have a heart attack!
Who said anything about the doctors doing their job for free? You’re whole analogy here is off based and makes absolutely no sense. Let’s see if I get what you’re saying: health care is a "right", then I can't see how you can avoid the sister argument that health care providers--doctors, nurses, hospitals, etc, are then obligated to provide it to you. So a doctor's many years in school, his internships and residency and years of practice--which cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars and countless nights studying when he could have been out partying with his less ambitious friends--should then be handed to you to enjoy because you have a "right" to it. What planet does that sort of system work on? (your quote). Obligated to provide it to me meaning for free and they don’t get paid. That’s what you’re saying? You couldn’t be any more wrong! With logic like that then EVERY government employee in the United States makes NOTHING a year, zilch, nada, zip! Let’s take it a step further. In countries WITH socialized medicine make nothing as well? What friggin’ planet are you living on? There’s a reason why people all around the world try to get their kids to be doctors….because they earn GOOD money in industrialized countries!
Bill Gates belongs to the 1% of the world population that are considered genius or highly talented. He also happened to be in the right place at the right time. Perhaps it’s also part of the magic about living in the US because we’re part of the melting pot where talent and innovation are highly rewarded. He could have failed but he didn’t. And did I ever say I was advocating that we need to redistribute the wealth among everyone? No I didn’t. Or that people like Gates need to do so? That’s what you seem to infer. You drew that conclusion and it’s a typical right wing idiotic argument when no others will work. So please spare me that Republican talking point bullshit. If you’re going to argue with me then argue the FACTS and not some cockamamie piece of fiction you conjured up! Take Steve Hawking for instance. His name was brought up in the media the other day with respect to health care. He is a genius in his own right but unlike Bill Gates he is bound to a wheel chair. Some business magazine assumed that if he were British he would have died under British health care system because they would have not provided for a person bound to a wheel chair with his condition. They forgot a tiny detail, which is that he is British and indeed was provided for by the British health care system. And in response to this idiotic assessment he responded that he is very satisfied with this plan. Bottom line the amount of money you have has nothing to do with who qualifies or wants to entertain the idea of having a government sponsored plan. Even people like Hawking (equally a genius like Bill Gates) enjoys the right to a national health care plan.
How about this, find me some evidence from the actual bill that is being proposed and give me a direct quote and credible source that proves the government is going to completely take over health care and shut down private insurance thus making it socialism. Find it, I dare you! I know you won’t look it up because you’re more comfortable plugging both ears while screaming out the top of your lungs so no one can prove you wrong. GROW UP! How’s this I’ll ruin it for you right now, the whole government take over and killing off good ol’granny scare tactic……ITS NOT IN THE BILL!
Thanks Jack for proving my point. At no point in your incoherent ramblings did you ever bring in any FACTS or evidence to the table. Instead you just keep saying outlandish conspiracy theories that frankly baffle me. This is exactly why health care reform hasn’t past in the last 60 years is because of scared little people like you who don’t look up any facts or do any research but instead just jump on the band wagon and shout thinking that makes you right.
But to say you have a "right" to health care means you think health care should be PROVIDED FOR you...not simply that you have a right to secure it by whatever means you have available. This is the whole point of the argument for health care reform. HOW CAN PEOPLE GET HEALTH CARE BY WHATEVER MEANS POSSIBLE IF THEY CAN’T GET IT IN THE FIRST PLACE?!!!!!!!!! Health insurance companies deny millions of people because of a pre existing condition. How can they get health care if they are denied?! Answer that simple question! HOW?!
You really went off the deep end with “its in his DNA” statement. Wow. You think the Dems are evil and trick you into voting for them so they can get into office to carry out their evil deeds? If that’s the case then why were Republicans voted as President more often in the 20th century? Looks like your off the wall theory doesn’t hold water.
As for your food analogy, yes food is essential but it isn’t free. Just like the proposed health care in the bill IS NOT FREE! You PAY FOR IT! How many times does it take to get that through your thick skull?! YOU PAY FOR THE GOVERNMENT PLAN! YOU PAY FOR IT! YOU PAY FOR IT!!!!!!!! ITS NOT FREE! Just like heat, its not free either. I’m in the heating business and there are options there as well. You can use gas, wood fires, the wall heater, floor plug in heaters or hell bundle up in a blanket. The point is you have OPTIONS and no one can deny you to use any of them! Gas for heating and food is not as expensive as health care premiums! Its not that hard to survive on little food. But we live in a society that is 67% obese. That said people don’t know how to take care of themselves or how to eat healthy. Buying food is cheap if you know what to do. If you can’t afford to buy food what do you think food stamps are for?!
What are you so afraid of about a government option? Are you afraid that more people may switch over and the precious insurance companies may have to lower their rates? Or worse that America may figure it out that what the rest of the world already knows is that socialized medicine may work? Our system is a joke. We have the best doctors in the world but nobody in the middle class can afford them! There’s a reason why bankruptcy in America has been rising in recent years. And don’t give me that holier than thou BS about how you’re compassionate because you’re not! You condone the ‘death panel’ practices of the big insurance companies that deny millions of innocent Americans because they have a pre existing condition that may affect their yearly profits! Because God forbid the insurance companies actually have to pay for something. So these people are condemned to having no health care and may end up as one of the 18,000 a year who die because of this practice. You call yourself compassionate? Any compassionate person would be outraged at this!
Here some sections of the actual bill I picked out just for you. Learn to do some research and look at the FACTS! Read it yourself, I got through 400 pages in about an hour. Its boring but not to friggin difficult to read!
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf
The purpose of this division is to provide affordable, quality health care for all
Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending. (HR 3200 pg 4)
…creates a new Health Insurance change, with a public health insurance option alongside private plans;(C) includes sliding scale affordability credits; and (D) initiates shared responsibility among workers, employers, and the government; so that all Americans have coverage of essential health benefits.(hr 3200 pg 5)
REFORM.—This division institutes health delivery system reforms both to increase quality and to reduce growth in health spending so that health care becomes more affordable for businesses, families, and government.(HR 3200 pg 5)
Sec. 111. Prohibiting pre-existing condition exclusions.
Sec. 112. Guaranteed issue and renewal for insured plans.
Sec. 113. Insurance rating rules.
Sec. 114. Nondiscrimination in benefits; parity in mental health and substance
abuse disorder benefits.
Sec. 115. Ensuring adequacy of provider networks.
Sec. 116. Ensuring value and lower premiums. (HR 3200 pg 6)
Sec. 131. Requiring fair marketing practices by health insurers.
Sec. 132. Requiring fair grievance and appeals mechanisms.
Sec. 133. Requiring information transparency and plan disclosure.
Sec. 134. Application to qualified health benefits plans not offered through the Health Insurance Exchange.
Sec. 135. Timely payment of claims.
Sec. 136. Standardized rules for coordination and subrogation of benefits.
Sec. 137. Application of administrative simplification. (HR 3200 pg 6)
RESTRICTIONS ON PREMIUM INCREASES.—
The issuer cannot vary the percentage increase in
the premium for a risk group of enrollees in specific
grandfathered health insurance coverage without
changing the premium for all enrollees in the same
risk group at the same rate, as specified by the Commissioner.(HR 3200 pg 17)
A qualified health benefits plan may not impose any pre-existing condition exclusion (as defined in section 2701(b)(1)(A) of the Public Health Service Act) or otherwise impose any limit or condition on the coverage under the plan with respect to an individual or dependent based on any health status-related factors (HR 3200 pg19)
NO RESTRICTIONS ON COVERAGE UNRELATED
TO CLINICAL APPROPRIATENESS.—A qualified health benefits plan may not impose any restriction (other than cost sharing) unrelated to clinical appropriateness on the coverage of the health care items and services.(HR 3200 pg 26)
(b) MINIMUM SERVICES TO BE COVERED.—The items and services described in this subsection are the following:
(1) Hospitalization.
(2) Outpatient hospital and outpatient clinic services, including emergency department services.
(3) Professional services of physicians and other health professionals.
(4) Such services, equipment, and supplies incident to the services of a physician’s or a health professional’s delivery of care in institutional settings, physician offices, patients’ homes or place of residence, or other settings, as appropriate.
(5) Prescription drugs.
(6) Rehabilitative and habilitative services.
(7) Mental health and substance use disorder services.
(8) Preventive services, including those services recommended with a grade of A or B by the Task Force on Clinical Preventive Services and those vaccines recommended for use by the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
(9) Maternity care.
(10) Well baby and well child care and oral health, vision, and hearing services, equipment, and supplies at least for children under 21 years of age. (HR 3200 pg 27-28)
ESTABLISHMENT.—For years beginning with Y1, the Secretary of Health and Human Services (in this subtitle referred to as the ‘‘Secretary’’) shall provide for the offering of an Exchange-participating health benefits plan (in this division referred to as the ‘‘public health insurance option’’) that ensures choice, competition, and stability of affordable, high quality coverage throughout the United States in accordance with this subtitle. In designing the option, the Secretary’s primary responsibility is to create a low-cost plan without comprimising quality or access to care.(HR 3200 pg 116)
INITIAL PAYMENT RULES.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in subparagraph (B) and subsection (b)(1), during Y1, Y2, and Y3, the Secretary shall base the payment rates under this section for services and providers described in paragraph (1) on the payment rates for similar services and providers under parts A and B of Medicare.(HR 3200 pg 121)
You see that last section? It says PAYMENT RULES!!!!!!
Now here's a deal I would vote for: cover anyone for health care, but pay for it by CLOSING much of the present federal gov't. Start with the EDUCATION dpt, then go to Energy, and work your way through it. And quit sending billions to other countries, farmers and corporations. Do what the Constitution says and leave the states free to run their own affairs. Stay out of our business. Do that, and you can pay for health care. But you can't do it with our present bloated federal gov't. If you think it can, find the money without raising taxes even higher. Or do you believe you're not yet taxed enough?
Now I'm going to work.
You’re blaming the current government for all these problems? And you’re calling me naive? You do realize that the last administration, the Bush administration, is the one who has doubled the national debt and caused this entire mess with regards to our financial situation? Just a tiny correction on one of your sayings: being in the red is bad and being in the black is good, but I got what you were saying. You also mentioned that if you A whole generation has come of age thinking the aforementioned is true, and until they understand that noting comes from nothing, nothing's going to change. Nothing might come from something, but something NEVER comes from nothing. Explain this example I’m about to give if that’s true: if you can’t get something from nothing then how does cutting taxes for the rich work? The top 2% in the US has more money than the other 98%. Talk about getting something from nothing.
I understand your point to wasteful government spending. But your example has a few holes in it. You said years ago this happened, what kind of computers were they and was that when the technology changed dramatically? Is it cheaper to buy these things in bulk, meaning not one at a time or by parts? Just asking because I don’t know. I know in my line of work we sometimes get cheaper prices when we buy in larger numbers and we get to write it off as well. But it’s not only the government that has these kinds of practices. Big business also does things this was as well. Do you realize that on a California State License exam they ask you with regards to materials one of the answers it to buy more than you need and take the rest back to the supplier? Look at the auto industry, they produced too many cars that nobody wants. The point is that everybody does this. Does that mean it’s good, no it’s stupid. It wastes money and resources. But that’s business for you.
With regards to a deal you would vote for that would give states the authority and cut government out of everything simply can’t work. CLOSING much of the present federal gov't. Start with the EDUCATION dpt, then go to Energy, and work your way through it. And quit sending billions to other countries, farmers and corporations. Start with education? Ok, so that would mean that no more would our tax dollars go to public education and everyone would have to pay out of pocket for their kids to get a K-12 education. What’s to prevent the school systems to charge what these private schools now charge? If that happens then only the well off can get educated and millions of kids will have to rely on the library to get educated. Nope wait a sec your plan would kill library funding as well seeing as that’s government spending. So now kids have to actually pay to check out a book…that’s if they are fortunate enough to read. Also what is to prevent the schools from going back to the bad old days of segregation? Not only would it be racial segregation but class segregation: rich only, no poor. Remember no government to tell them what to do. Welcome back to the 1300’s where only the elite are educated and the rest of us are serfs working the fields.
Energy department is gone too? I don’t know how things work in your state, but here California PG&E is not a government entity. They are a private company that charges out of control prices ever since they have been deregulated. In late 2007 PG&E had two price hikes in back to back months of December and January of 2008. Without federal regulation who’s to tell PG&E they can’t do that? Just like the school idea, this would mean that only the wealthy can afford to use electricity and gas to heat their homes. Better start investing in blankets and wood stoves to cook on…that’s if you can afford the wood at $500 a cord (not including delivery).
As you keep cutting funding, how much will it cost to have the police and fire department to come out and help?
The FDA and the USDA making sure the food is safe and clean for us as Americans to eat? You want their funding gone as well? You’re going to trust the meat industry to tell you that Tri Tip roast is safe to eat? How do you know they inspected it? What guarantees do you have? Their word? The last time I checked anything verbal isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on.
The Center for Disease Control? If a major pandemic occurs who’s going to assist us? God? Don’t take this the wrong way but God in recent years with regard to disease has kinda dropped the ball in this department.
Transportation Department? Hope you like driving on bumpy and unsafe road conditions because I seriously doubt normal people have the money to fix a freeway especially here in California after an earthquake. The 880 freeway after the 1989 quake ring a bell? You think normal people will pay for that?
FEMA is gone as well. God help us in California after a major earthquake. Don’t even go to the Katrina incident because that was Bush’s fuck up as well as the FEMA director appointed by him. So don’t even open up that can of worms. In 2008 California had over 1,000 fires. Who did you have in mind to put these fires out on such a grand scale?
FDIC? Are you going to keep your money in a mattress? If a bank goes belly up don’t complain when your money is re appropriated.
FCC? If you are a conservative that think there’s too much sex, violence and swearing on TV, just you wait and see what happens.
SEC? You think the Wall Street crisis in 2008 was bad wait and see what happens when there is absolutely no regulation in the financial market.
EPA? There goes our clean water and other environmental standards.
Here’s one major detail you never thought of, do you realize how many honest, hardworking Americans you would be putting out of a job because of this idea? You think 9% unemployment is bad? I wonder what it would be once you cut all these programs and give out massive amounts of pink slips.
The number of unemployed from the agencies I’ve mentioned are as follows: FDC (5,381), SEC (3,798), FCC( 1,899), EPA (17,000), FDA (9,300), USDA (105,778), Education (5,000), Energy (16,000 federal and 93,094 contract), FEMA (6,651), CDC (15,000) and DOT (58,622). Congratulations you just put 337,525 people out of work. And that’s from 11 agencies and there’s a lot more where that came from. Now either you thought about that or you didn’t.
Everything you take for granted will be gone and in the hands of private business which has one thing in mind, PROFIT. Look what this has done to California financially. We are so deep in the red it’s pathetic. A good deal of programs and companies have been deregulated to the point where the government is no longer looking and businesses are now running amok! The lending companies can loan to people who can’t afford it because no one is giving them any guidelines on who to turn down. Now the housing industry here has nearly sunk into the abyss! People are being evicted and are foreclosing because the lending companies duped many people into thinking they could afford the loans. Of course nobody was regulated to inform them that the payment terms would skyrocket after a few months making their mortgage go through the roof.
Our unemployment here is at 11%, that’s insane. Nobody is hiring especially in the big companies. Why is that? It’s because these big companies are more worried about profits than anything else. So to keep profits up they OUTSOURCE jobs abroad for cheaper labor costs. Why hire someone who wants to make $25/hr with benefits when you can go overseas where someone will work 20 hours a day with no benefits for $20 a day (and that’s great pay!). This was a practice not only condoned by the Bush Administration but it was encouraged! Why do you think there was that huge up roar a year or two ago with the auto industry being outsourced in other countries? And what’s worse is that these companies have a bulk of their money in offshore accounts in the Caribbean and other tax havens in Europe! So they are avoiding US taxes to make more profits and what’s worse is that they are claiming write off’s based on what’s in their offshore accounts to make even more money! This is big business I’m talking about. That’s why the IRS is going to places like Zurich (Switzerland) to get to the bottom of this. You want these people and types of practices to run free without restraint? If that’s so count me out.
Back to California, now that we’re $24 Billion in debt our Governator has to issue IOU’s to a great deal of people. Most of the IOU’s are to normal people waiting to get their tax returns. Looks like they get to wait. To try to close the gap or even pay for things, Arnold is cannibalizing from the local governments (counties) who have money to pay for what they need. After the vampire can’t get anymore he then RAISES the property AND sales tax to help out the crisis. Our sales tax is nearly 10%. With sales tax up nobody is buying as much anymore. People would rather buy what they absolutely need instead of treating themselves to things here and there. So now retail stores as well as food stores are taking a huge hit.
It all trickles down once you start deregulating. This entire mess in the financial world is all thanks to Bush. Without him we may not have entered two wars that were budgeted OFF the books, and massive deregulation wouldn’t have given big corporations the green light to floor the gas on screwing people. You can also thank Bush for sending billions to China during his administration. You can also Thank Bush for giving the people in Iraq and Afghanistan Universal Health care that YOU, me and all Americans are paying for! But we can’t do that for ourselves?! Give me a break! Don’t you find it a little odd that profits in the insurance companies have multiplied by 5 since 2000? Don’t you also find it odd that these big insurance companies are paying about $1.3 million a day to fight this legislation? Isn’t it strange that the only studies that Republicans quote from (The Lewin Group) is ran by the Big Insurance Companies? The insurance companies account for 16% of our gross national product and you want them to stay in charge and not change a thing? You do realize what will happen if they keep charging astronomical prices don’t you? Eventually they will become so big and too expensive that no one but the rich can afford them. When that happens they will belly up just like AIG and the other companies did during the bailout fiasco! Then the American taxpayer will have to bail them out. Think about it, a corporation that thrives on taking money for health care ultimately needs to be bailed out by the millions of those they’ve denied because of a pre existing condition to keep their business alive. Fate it seems is not without a sense of irony as Morpheus so eloquently put it. As you say in your title Can we survive four years of this? Or, God help us, eight? I’m surprised we survived the last 8 years! And if your ideas are proposed and, God help us, implemented, you’ll be essentially inking the last chapters of our country for sure!
By the way you still haven’t answered my question: How can people get health care by whatever means possible if they can’t get it in the first place? How can they get health care if they are denied? How? This is the whole argument in a nut shell. 47 million people cannot get covered because the insurance companies say they are not allowed to. Why? If your system is truly righteous and correct this should be an easy explanation. You can’t can you?
It has been observed that there are four ways to spend money: 1) spending your own money on yourself; 2) spending your own money on others; 3) spending other people's money on yourself; and 4) spending other people's money on still other people. Take a guess where the reckless spending is found. And hence most people are opposed to this health care fiasco; we've already got billions in waste, fraud, and abuse, thank you very much. We can smell a gov't takeover a mile away and the financial ruin it will visit on all of us. There's just no money for it in our present gov't configuration, regardless of how burdensome that is on some. There may be a way to do it, but it's going to mean cutting spending in other areas first. The pie just isn't that big. And no, "the rich" can't foot the bill for it. They already pay the bulk of taxes, but I guess you want even more from them. How charming.
As to your question above: There's just two answers, both of which are unworkable. One, require insurance companies to cover high risk patients, which raises everyone else's rates; or second, force taxpayers to cover them, which--surprise!--raises everyone's taxes. Of course, there is a third choice, but you already said we can't possibly do without the thousands of gov't agencies we depend on daily, so pick your poison. There's no magic beanstalk.
Maybe if we just wait long enough, the gov't will outlaw everything that leads to poor health and we'll all live to 100. Already, they've gotten rid of junk food in schools, outlawed smoking in a million places, required helmets on little kids riding bikes, mandated seat belt use, restricted gun ownership, made us change out our lightbulbs, punished landowners who filled ditches with dirt on their own property, arrested those who dug firestops on their own land when some endangered field mouse was living there, outlawed cherry bombs and fences that are too high. This is gov't. And this is who you think should offer--at taxpayers' expense--insurance coverage to millions of people who either couldn't otherwise get it, don't want it, aren't citizens anyhow, or are temporarily between jobs. This is your solution.
Well, democracy is working and we'll see what results.
Wow Jack, I can honestly say that you are really out there on this one. I mean friggin’ Pluto! Seriously! Where do you come up with this? It’s amazing that every argument you make up I can easily refute with FACTS and EVIDENCE. But then you come back and make more shit up. It’s truly baffling. In none of your arguments can you keep a straight story. Every time your argument changes. Pick an argument and stick with it! Do I like government solution to things, sometimes depending on what it is. Tax breaks for the wealthy I don’t agree with it. So you don’t like government solutions to things. So I guess the idea of African Americans having Civil Rights must really piss you. Women’s right to vote must really stick in your craw doesn’t it! Ending child labor laws must leave a bad taste in your mouth. I guess you are all for racial segregation and the whole concept of ‘Separate but equal’ aren’t you. Medicare and social security for the elderly is the devil. That’s why so many elderly people are so willing to give up their Medicare because it’s evil! Oh wait, the elderly is not giving that up? But I thought that government solutions were bad? Here’s a real interesting thing to think about: If Republicans are so in favor of less government then why do they keep running for office and create more government? Odd don’t you think?
As far as your pathetic scare tactic about the bill and ambulance rides that stuff already happens now. When you get taken to the ER the first thing that happens is they check to see if you’re insured. If you’re not then they do just enough to stabilize you then off you go. How about this Jack, why don’t you pick a page at random from the bill and PROVE your point instead of me just taking your word for it.
I predict a spike in suicides--among doctors. Give me some EVIDENCE. Show me some proof in comparisons between our country and a country with socialized medicine. Please. I’d be interested in seeing that. As far as suicides are concerned isn’t it funny that the profession with the highest suicide rate are dentists. They are 6 times more likely to kill themselves. Damn that gingivitis!
Speaking of which, there won't be enough doctors to handle all those who are to be covered. Yeah you’re right, that would explain why people in Europe and Canada have longer, healthier lives than we do here in the US. Remember that little thing that every doctor takes, the Hippocratic Oath? I will apply dietic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice. And, Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves. “For the benefit of the sick”. Nowhere in that oath is there anything about except if they have pre existing conditions. “Keep them from harm and injustice”. The health care system they work for and get paid by are creating the biggest injustice and goes against everything that oath they swear by goes against!
And hence most people are opposed to this health care fiasco; we've already got billions in waste, fraud, and abuse, thank you very much. You’re right again, thank you very much George W. Bush! $700 Billion on the Wall Street bail out and wars in Iraq and Afghanistan! Thank you very much for taking a $2.2 trillion surplus in 2000 and putting us in such a deep hole! Thank you, thank you, thank you REPUBLICANS!
And no, "the rich" can't foot the bill for it. 8.6 million millionaires in the US with assets worth $32.8 trillion. Yep, no way we can squeeze any money out of them. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aLE9ncbh8IY0)
There's just two answers, both of which are unworkable. One, require insurance companies to cover high risk patients, which raises everyone else's rates; or second, force taxpayers to cover them, which--surprise!--raises everyone's taxes. Thanks for answering my question and thank you for showing how cold, heartless and selfish you truly are. Thank you.
Reasons for denial of coverage: (http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/07/too_sick.html)
Health status and chronic illness. It is common practice for health insurers to use the application process to determine an individual's health status to decide both how much coverage to offer and at what cost. In one survey, half of those in fair or poor health found it very difficult or impossible to find the coverage they needed. And for those offered coverage, poor health status is used as a reason to charge higher premiums or limit coverage.
- Prescription drug use. Taking prescription medications makes millions of Americans ineligible for coverage on the individual market. Case in point: Insurance companies in California bar individuals from coverage if they take any of 8 of the 20 most popular prescription medications sold in the United States. That list includes the top-selling drug in the country, Lipitor, which has been prescribed to more than 26 million Americans to treat cholesterol.
- Height and weight. For the approximately one-third of adults who are medically obese—defined by a body mass index of 30 or higher; a recommended BMI ranges from 19 to 25—health insurance will cost more if it is available at all. Those with a BMI of more than 35 are simply denied coverage. But it isn’t just the obese who can be turned down. Coverage can more expensive, or denied, for those deemed too short, too tall, or too skinny.
- Age. Age discrimination is prevalent in the individual market. On average, someone 60 to 64 years old and healthy is going to pay significantly more for health insurance than an 18- to 24-year-old. Of course, that is only for those who are offered coverage. Of those ages 60 to 64, 29 percent are turned down for individual coverage compared to just 4 percent of those ages 18 to 24.
- Gender. Women are more likely to have to seek coverage on the individual market than men as they are less likely to qualify for employer-sponsored coverage. However, being a woman means paying more for health insurance. Pregnancy has long been a reason insurance companies use to charge women higher rates for health insurance, even though many individual insurance policies don’t even cover maternity benefits.
- Occupation. Insurers will use your occupation to decide if you can buy insurance. Roofing, window cleaning, lumber work, and asphalt work are occupations that insurers will sometimes not cover. Volunteer firefighters, a common occupation in rural areas, can be denied coverage even if their full-time occupation only involves office work.
- Hobbies. Even hobbies such as scuba diving and skydiving can mean being denied coverage.
Prescription drug use….so does that means Rush Limbaugh will be denied coverage? Obese people are denied…well there goes 67% of America now. Coverage can be denied to those that are too tall, skinny or short?! Jack seriously, how can you defend a company like that? Insurance companies are sexist too! Women pay more because they can become pregnant? Wow, who would’ve thought that?! Occupation too. Looks like the hardworking, blue collar Joe has to find another job. Skydiving I agree with actually, that’s just stupid. That said with obese, women, short, tall and skinny people in the US who is acceptable now under their rules? You say because they are ‘high risk’ they shouldn’t get coverage? Life is a high risk! Explain to me how being short is a high risk. How is a yeast infection a high risk? These were put in place to make more money Jack! Nothing else! In 31 states there are no regulations on how much they can jack up your premiums. Just yours! Not like you said that everyone’s goes up, just you and for no reason. That’s real ethical.
Here’s an interesting study about support for or against health care reform you may want to check out. http://www.consumersunion.org/pdf/health-reform-poll-2009.pdf Looks like a good chunk of people support health care reform. But then again I’m talking to you, you don’t care about FACTS or EVIDENCE.
Already, they've gotten rid of junk food in schools, outlawed smoking in a million places, required helmets on little kids riding bikes, mandated seat belt use, restricted gun ownership, made us change out our lightbulbs, punished landowners who filled ditches with dirt on their own property, arrested those who dug firestops on their own land when some endangered field mouse was living there, outlawed cherry bombs and fences that are too high. Junk food in schools…you like childhood obesity? You want kids to have medical problems early in life so they can be denied health care? Remember, cholesterol is a reason for denial of coverage. Outlawed smoking in a million places….in public places like restaurants and parts where someone else’s smoke can get me sick? You like 2nd hand smoke? Bike helmets OMG! Who is the mad man that wants to protect children’s heads when they fall off a bike?! Seat belts too?! My god this is just madness! Who actually thinks these things could possibly save lives?! Light bulbs that save on energy?! Who are these monsters! You do realize you can still buy the other type right? And the rest of it you pretty much made up except the bombs and fence part.
Jack is it really hard for you to do any research on this topic or is making things up easier and more comforting for you to do?
With every comment you make I have to ask is this for real? Do you believe deep down what you’re writing here or are you yanking my chain? If this is for real then that scares the hell out of me. Not because you think that, you can think what you want. What scares me is that there are more people think and spew such BS without any sort of facts behind it. That is really a scary notion to think about.
As a side note: with such hatred for government how do you survive living in D.C?
Yes you make things up and I respond to you simply to show you how ridiculous and fact less your responses are. Let’s see if I get your logic: if you say something that’s not true and made up I shouldn’t have to respond because people are smart enough to figure out that it is false. So if I was to say that you’re gay and like performing a wide stance in an airport men’s room you wouldn’t respond because it’s not true? Of course you would. This is why I comment back arguing what you make up is because people read what you say and think it may be true when in fact it’s so far out in left field and wrong! If you say something then PROVE it! If this is how you argue something then thank God you’re not a lawyer because you would be personally escorting your clients to jail! The FACT is, and your own words prove--excuse me, "suggest"-- it, you're a fan of a Cradle-To-Grave gov't telling us all how to live, how to think, what to buy, what to wear, what to eat...all for "our own good." Are you kidding me? You think the government is telling everyone what to eat, what to wear, how to live, what to buy, you really think that? Do you watch TV at all? You know those that come on between shows that everyone hates because the volume seems to be louder? What are those things called? Oh yes COMMERCIALS! Commercials are these little ads of motion picture made by big businesses to try to sell you something. Big business tells you what to eat, what to buy, what to wear, how to look etc. do you think commercials for Victoria’s Secret, IHOP, Viagra, Cialis, Depression medication, Burger King…..I can go on and on and on all day. THESE people tell you what is right and what is wrong. Why do you think women are so insecure about their looks? It’s not the government telling them to be skinny so they can fit in a sexy bra and panty set so they can look like Heidi Klum. No, that’s the fashion industry! It’s not the government that’s telling men their dicks are too small so they can take a pill to make it bigger. Big pharmaceutical companies sell any kind of pill you want! Because it’s easier to take a pill for your problems than it is to actually correct them. Too hyper? Take a pill. Too sad, take a pill. Your dick don’t work, take a pill. Insurance companies will pay for broke dick pills for the elderly but won’t cover someone with a pre existing condition. Please explain that one to me. Broke dick pills have ‘RISKY’ side effects like heart attacks. How is that covered since you say that high risk people shouldn’t be allowed the opportunity to buy health care? Big businesses instigate the worst in people especially young women. Making skinny models the cultural norm many young girls who can never obtain that impossible goal develop depression, bulimia, anorexia, insecurities, low self esteem and even commit suicide. These innocent teenage girls are targeted by these heartless corporations. And you think it’s the government telling us what to eat (Burger King, KFC, Papa John etc), what to buy (VS, Cover Girl etc) what to drink (Kool Aid, Budweiser etc) how to think (Tobacco industry)? Now who’s being naïve?! Advertising is obviously a government conspiracy to control you, something big business wouldn’t possibly do. So I guess the cigarette commercials that used to have doctors back in the 50’s was all the government and not the tobacco industry.
(Civil rights for all people, just to put that to bed, is easily justified by simply reading the Constitution. There's no "emanations and penumbras" needed to see that was necessary. That's light years from legislating about bike helmets. So don't be disingenuous). Put it to bed? Ok now you’re just being stupid. Then if African Americans truly had Civil Rights then why were they slaves? Why were they then considered 3/5 of a person? Why was the Civil War fought to end slavery and free African American slaves if they had rights? Why was the CONSTITUTION amended with the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments to make African Americans free, citizens, and the right to vote if it was already guaranteed? After that why were laws such as poll taxes, literacy tests, gerrymandering, grandfather clauses passed to prevent African Americans from voting and they were equal under the Constitution? Why weren’t African Americans at first able to marry other African Americans? Then why were interracial marriages outlawed? Why were African Americans forced to sit in the back of the bus, drink from different water fountains, banned from going into white establishments, forced to eat in the back of the restaurant and FORCED to go to all black schools with such inadequate supplies the education was practically worthless? If they were equal under the Constitution then why did the whole Civil Rights movement happen that resulted in the Civil Rights Act of 1964?! And I’m being disingenuous?! You’re being downright ignorant and stupid! Read your history book and brush up on some of your facts! Even women struggled to get the right to vote. The constitution had to be amended for that as well in 1920!
So you are WRONG again! Hell on that note where in the Constitution before the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments were ratified did it say that All men are created equal? Cause there isn’t anything. The 14th amendment states : All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws (14th Amend, July 9th, 1868) Almost a hundred years to get the equal part in the Constitution. Then it would take almost another hundred years to actually enforce that constitutional law to allow African Americans their Civil Rights. In fact nowhere in the Constitution does it say that all men are created equal. Did you mean the Declaration of Independence with everyone being equal? “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. (Preamble to the Declaration of Independence, July 4th, 1776). Now this is really bad, you don’t even know your own Declaration or Constitution? You do realize that the Declaration of Independence and Constitution are two different documents right? That is shameful and you call yourself a true American? Wow. FACTS win again.
I can't cut down trees on my own property as I see fit. You are all for states running things right? Do you realize that a tree that is near your property, like the side walk is NOT yours? That is city property, not yours. If you have a beef with that then complain to the city, not the Federal government. Jesus, do you even know the difference?
As for your ridiculous idea of conducting a survey, that question you want asked is ambiguous (open to or having several possible meanings or interpretations) and doesn’t answer the real question. But you, like all republican nitwits can’t possibly answer a complex question. You have to break it down to only black and white with absolutely NO gray area.
Of course none of what I say will even sink into your brain. When you respond you’ll change the topic to some other outlandish thing to try to throw me off the original argument which is we need affordable health care for the 47 million without it! That’s the argument! That’s the problem with most of the American public, their attention span is as long as a flies dick! When the real issue is being discussed dumb asses like Palin, Boehner, Gingrich and Rush change the subject because their following are so fucking stupid to buy the BS that is disproven every day. People are right when they say its 70% on how you sound, 20% on how you look and 10% on what you say is what makes people listen. Because all these idiots, you included, are doing is shouting out loud Bullshit that frankly isn’t true and you know because I keep disproving your comments with FACTS AND EVIDENCE! What do you have against looking shit up to support your claims? You look and sound stupid to any rational person with half a brain! Health care is the issue, not your frigging tree or bike helmets or whatever BS thing you bring up. It’s about health care and why nobody should be denied that. Remember in the Declaration of Independence and the 14th amendment ‘that nobody shall be denied LIFE, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.’ The 47 million Americans who can’t get care or afford it are being denied LIFE!
You’re done with me? Am I dismissed now? Amazing how you Republicans always do this when logic, reason and FACTS kick you in the ass. So you are against safety with regards to children riding bikes? You’re against the environment as well? Wow you are a Republican true to form. Obviously you don’t understand how an ecosystem works do you. Maybe you should open up a book and read up on what happens to an ecosystem when the endangered species are wiped off the map. We are interlinked and when one species is affected every other species is affected too.
Now you’re all of a sudden FOR Canada? First you Republicans can’t stand countries that have this evil socialized medicine but you want their drugs. Do you realize it was George W. Bush during his administration that ended online purchasing of drugs from other countries? This was done because the pharmaceutical companies in the US were losing profits because the same drugs the big companies were selling were cheaper abroad. Oh but you don’t remember that do you?
The granting of civil rights to blacks and women was just that--the granting/recognition of individual rights, not the restriction of rights--which is what gov't intervention nowadays is mostly about. But wait didn’t you say: Civil rights for all people, just to put that to bed, is easily justified by simply reading the Constitution. There's no "emanations and penumbras" needed to see that was necessary. As I stated with Facts that nowhere in the Constitution before the addition of the 13-15th Amendments did it say all men have equal rights. First you said they had rights in the first place and now you’re saying that the U.S Government “Granted” them rights. Which is it Jack? Even on a totally different subject you can’t keep your stories straight.
The ‘granting’ of rights as you call it actually leads me into the real heart of the matter, RIGHTS. Where are the people’s rights to being able to AFFORD and BUY health care. I’ll even compromise on this one, take out the free which I never said anywhere in my arguments. All I ever stated is that ALL Americans are entitled to health care. Be it bought from private companies or a more affordable government plan. Never did I say free. People have the right to health care meaning NO ONE SHOULD BE DENIED!!!! Just like with Civil Rights Movement for African Americans, MORE legislation needed to be passed because a Constitutional Amendment clearly WASN’T enough for the bigoted racists southern states that used loop hole tactics to prevent these people from having the same rights as everyone else. The same thing is going on now with regards to people who have a PRE EXISTING CONDITION OR CAN’T AFFORD IT. Insurance companies CLAIM anyone can get health care but that is a lie. If you have a pre existing condition they either deny you outright or jack up the premiums so friggin high you have no choice but to say no. What would you say if you wanted to go to some establishment and they said ‘No [Insert you ethnicity here] Allowed”? You would be the first to cry out discrimination! That’s exactly what is happening now. Those that have a pre existing condition or can’t HONESTLY afford the high premiums (your example on people spending foolishly was a desperate comeback) are discriminated against! So yes this is a Civil and Human Rights violation!
20 something’s who choose to not have health care? That’s pathetic! Yes this was an easy choice: school tuition or health care…..hmm that’s a tough one. Those between jobs? You do realize people may be out of work for quite a while seeing as not many people are hiring right now! It’s not like most of these people quit their jobs, what if they are laid off like a lot of the auto workers? But to you Republicans they are just peasants so they don’t count. “any number of others who prefer to spend their money on wine, women and song rather than insurance” Like Republicans Mark Sanford, John Ensign, David Vitter and most of the other C Street club? Great example your party is setting.
And socialized medicine--which is EXACTLY what you're advocating, and don't your DARE try to deny it--is the largest single vehicle for gov't intrusion on the horizon. Yeah that’s the same thing Republicans said before voting for Social Security and Medicare. Funny how when things concern the elderly Republicans overlook that tiny detail of things being socialized. But when it concerns everyone younger than 65 it’s not all of a sudden Socialism. Odd don’t you think? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SOCIALISM. But they sure do like their Medicare, Social Security, Fire and police Departments, Public Schools, Public Libraries, Postal Services, Unemployment, Public Infrastructure (roads, bridges, highway system, sewers, power grids, telecommunications [internet, phone and cell phones towers, underground wiring and satellites] , airports, hazardous waste management, transit systems, gas/ petroleum pipelines, irrigation, flood control, meteorological monitoring networks [that’s for the weather, not meteors], GPS systems, parks and so on). Now if Americans truly HATE SOCIALISM then I suggest you boycott all these items seeing as they all are part of this evil system you preach about. Get used to staying home with no power, water and gas. Forget purchasing anything either because remember these items had to be shipped somehow and you buying it only condones the use and upkeep of these evil socialists things called roads and airports! Going to the bathroom for you guys will be very interesting since your toilet is socialist too! You see where I’m getting at? Everything that you take for granted nobody complains about. Hmmm interesting.
List me the countries that do half the BS you claim like tell you what to do, what to think, eat, when to pee etc. You can't because no country with socialized medicine does that. Have you ever left the United States? Because you don't seem to know the first thing about any country in Europe. You too afraid to go to a different country? Afraid you may like it?
Jack, why is looking for evidence or facts so hard for you to do when you make off the wall comebacks? it's not that difficult. if what you say is true then finding statistics, quotes, charts etc should be a breeze to locate. But you won't...or can't....maybe both. Maybe you can't because its not there. Maybe you're afraid to be proven wrong.
To answer your question, no I haven’t been on Mars the last 8 years. YOUR President Bush had his head on Mars (Remember his 2007 State of the Union speech?) as well as another place where most Republican heads are right now………
I'm just sayin'. I've never had to wait 5 months for an x-ray. I hope that's an hyperbole.
Also, you speak of Canada like we're a disgusting prospect. Come on, man. We're not all that different.
You're either a redneck.. or you're racist and can't stand equality.
Wow. You like to go all out, don't you?
