I agree with you and have argued that for a long time. In my school we had a multi-cultural club and it was frownd on for a white person to join that club because no one considered it multi-cultural??? What? McDonald's has a Latino scholarship and they have african american scholarships, when in actuality the white male has the hardest time getting scholarships because of his race and color...? What is that about...I mean don't we all drink from the same water fountain now?

But, God's plan will over rule all things of this earth. It is just a waiting game. We won't see color in heaven.

I personally believe that God is every color imagineable.  Either way, you are right, it won't be about the color of our skin when we get to heaven.

Please check your facts.  The NAACP was founded by Jewish lawyers (white) and it was 25 years before the head of that organization was black.  Membership in the NAACP, to this day, is not restricted by race. 

In addition, the NAACP could not maintain its non-profit status (a legal designation) it it were to practice racial or any other form of discrimination.

Hi:  Okay you did two responses, so I will address my response to both here..............first of all, thank you for your response.

Second, I am sorry to see that you focused on one are, the NAACP, and not the entire context of the message.

I base my statements on the fact that myself and some other friends of mine called the NAACP independently to see what would happen when we inquired about membership and college scholarships.  In all instances, it was strongly encouraged that we be of black skin color to join.  And no matter what, we had to be of black skin color to receive any form of a college scholarship.

I stand by what I said in my previous post:  If anybody separates themselves by race, color of skin, etc., then they have no right to scream 'racism', because that is in fact what they are participating in and promoting.  No matter how kind or good their acts may be, it is still racist to separate by race.  That is the purest definition of the word.

And it is wrong.

Again, thank you for your post.  We do not have to agree to have the right to state our opinions.

A correction and an additional thought......In my previous response this sentence should have read as follows:

 Second, I am sorry to see that you focused on one part

Sorry for the error.

Also, please understand, as one should from reading my post, that I have not singled out the NAACP.  I believe that any organization, several of which I listed in my original post, that separates based on race, color of skin, is inherently wrong.

I'm sorry, but I don't know who you called, but there are non-black members in the NAACP. As far as Caucasian pride goes, I've celebrated with my friends at the Scottish festival, Greek Festival, St. Patrick's Day, etc.

 Please remember the fact that the black culture in the United States is a conglomerate of unknown African cultures.  All most of us know is that we probably originated from the west Coast of Africa which boasts over a thousand tribes alone. Therefore the blacks in the US developed their own distinct culture by taking bits and pieces of the culture they were forced to give up.  However most whites know they whether or not they are of Irish or English descent, etc. 

Case in point:  We love to have fried pork chops with cold applesauce.  It is soooooooooooo good.  I mean how can you not eat it that way. 

I'm hoping this was an attempt at humor. Pork Chops with applesauce is a Yankee thing, not a white thing.

I was totally serious.  I absolutely love fried pork chops with cold applesauce.  And it is a Caucasian American thing.  Doesn't mean others can't enjoy it.

Have some.  It is really good.

I guess Yankee = Caucasian. Wow. 

Your term, not mine.  Anyway, did not write this blog to argue with someone about whether or not Caucasian Americans have the right to claim fried pork chops and cold applesauce.

It was about racism. 

Please stay on topic.

You claimed that pork chops and applesauce were a white thing. I said it wasn't.  You wrote this ridiculous statement your post therefore it is on topic. 

Basically your inability to tell the difference between a regional tradition and a so-called white tradition is discriminatory in itself.  The first time I ever had pork chops and applesauce it was served by a black family from Denver.

Okay, so....................and black people eat mexican food and white people eat chinese food and so on and so on..........................

Fried Chicken is a southern thing, not a black thing.  Ask Colonel Sanders.
Pork Chops and applesauce is a northern thing not a white thing.  Does this make sense?

You do understand, right, that I am married to a man that is not white?  I have family members, by my choice, that have every shade of the human rainbow possible.

I do not have to agree with you and you do not have to agree with me.  This does not make either of us any of the names you have chosen to use.

I stand by my original statement.  Which, by the way, is about so much more than food.

Do you understand that I, too come from a mixed family?  I guess it just doesn't look like it from my picture. (Nice assumption by the way) I mixed with Haitian, Irish and Creek Indian.  My mother and grandmother are fair skinned and tawny haired.

What name did I chose to use?

Your original statement is based on a simplistic and erroneous ideas about race and culture in America.  Notice how you had absolutely nothing to say about my examples of white people celebrating their culture and why African-American culture is a conglomerate of different traditions from numerous African tribes and regions because they weren't allowed to continue those here in the United States. 

Your ideas about who eats  what food just further illustrated your simplistic and erroneous ideas about race and culture in America which is why I touched up on it and had to wonder if you were joking.

I did not make any assumptions about you or any one else. 

I stated my background and current status. 

If you chose to read more into it, that is your choice.

And the whole race conflict would be very simple, would be non-existent as a matter of fact, if people would stop separating themselves by race.............

"us four, no more, shut the door"  should no longer be accepted.  By anyone.  Period.

LOL! Yes, if people would just stop celebrating their culture, racism would be all but over. NOT! How about if people wouldn't think someone celebrating their culture was racist, racism would be over.

Yeah! And those whiny rape victims, too. If they'd just shut their mouths, rape would stop altogether and the world would be a safe place again. But there those ladies go, whining about being attacked. And those survivor groups? What a bunch of crap. Who would want to celebrate surviving being brutalized and pushed around?

Boy did you pick the wrong person to go here with.

First and foremost, I stated that groups based on race, etc., that are exclusive based on that criteria are racist.

Second of all, never would I say that a rape survivors group was there to celebrate. 

Third, last time I checked a rape survivors group was not picky on who came to the meetings.  You can be white, black, pink, purple, male or female and attend.  So long as what is said there stays there, and you're not the rapist, you can be there.

And before you open your mouth, have you been to one of those meetings?  Cause I have.

Have you been kidnapped, raped, beaten within an inch of your life?
Cause I was, at the age of four.

Have you ever found out, as adult, that someone you loved dearly, had known since childhood, was now committing those same heinous crimes against other boys and girls?
Cause I have and I turned him in.  And will be testifying at his trial.

I am actually in the process of becoming an advocate for any victim of any crime that has rendered them unable to function and get to where they need to be.

Ohhh, I see what game we're playing. Any scenario I come up with, you have to retort with how you know the groups and the situations better than I do.

I'm SO glad to see you've gone back to being brain dead. I was replying to Myclette, and my response to her was my response to HER. Not. Your. Blog. Man, you REALLY need to learn how to read, and how to figure out which replies go to who.

And, uh...excuse me? Picked the wrong person to go there with? Are you 13? Are you gonna put up your dukes and challenge me to a hissy fit showdown after recess? LMAO

Was your point was to try and show me that I have been through nothing, and you, you have been through everything and I couldn't possibly understand what it's like? Well little lady, you don't know jack shit.  Too bad you'd like to play the "I know suffering better than you do" game, I don't play games. I don't parade my past around like a little girl trying to get extra milk money just so people will pay more attention to me or take me more seriously.

You're either lying about who you're married to, or you have zero respect for him. No one married to a dark-skinned man could possibly spew the trash you've spewed here today. If you were really married to a DSM, you'd be MORE prone to feel supportive of people who celebrate their culture. I call total bullshit. But you can have your little fun. We all see what's up here. Thanks for the laughs!

And there we have it.......................the name calling, the anger............

Sorry that I am new to this blog and have not entirely been able to figure out who is responding to who yet.

But does it really matter?

Again, it is a free country and I am allowed to speak my mind to anyone that I wish.  If you do not want my responses, then stay off the blog.

I respect my husband more than anyone on the planet.  He is my heart.  Since it seems so important to you to know my family tree, here we go...........

I am white, my husband is very dark brown (American-Mexican and American-Indian), two of my children came out light and one came out very dark.

Several of my cousins are very dark (American-Mexican and American-African).

My daughter, one of the light ones, is married to a dark man (American-African) and my absolutely gorgeous granddaughter is dark skinned.

And you have clearly either not taken the time to read my entire blog, nor my responses, or you are just ignoring several key passages.

I absolutely want people to celebrate their culture and heritage. 

I just don't feel that it should be done with a 'let's all be separate from each other' attitude.

As far as what happened as a child, I did not bring that up for sympathy, nor do I ask for any. 

You brought up rape survivor groups, an area in which I have some expertise.  I chose to state why I had that expertise.

And yes, we can all see what is up here.  You seem to think that because I refuse to change my position and agree with you that I am all the names you are calling me.  That I have no respect for my husband.

Again, yes, we can all see what is up here.  Who is willing to listen and have respectful conversation with regards to another's views and who is completely disrespectful for anyone that does not agree with them. 

So you're upset that I insulted you, but you have no problem lying, being homophobic, and denying people rights. That makes a hell of a lot of sense.

I could not care less who or what you are. That's NOT the point. The point is that you're spewing ignorance and lies. And as far as listening, you won't listen to ANYONE, no matter HOW respectful they are to you. Perrye, Myclette, and k10 even had intelligent replies, and you obviously skimmed them and/or have poor reading comrehension. A monkey could see what they were saying.

If you didn't want sympathy, you wouldn't have brought it up. It wasn't relevant. It had not one bloody thing to do with the point of my reply..which wasn't even directed towards YOU.

For some reason, you tiny little brain hears "African American Club" and thinks, oh, I can't join because i'm not AA. Hello? McFly? Who in the hell said you have to be AA to celebrate that culture? Are you telling me that the ONLY people who celebrate St Patrick's Day are Irish?

I have yet to lie, nor am I homophobic.

Just because I have views that are different than your's does not make me a liar.

I do not believe I have stated in this blog whether or not I support homosexuality. 

And for the record AA is Alcoholic's Anonymous, not African American Club (should be American African Club).

LOL! I love it. You have nothing to say of any substance whatsoever, so you correct me...only to be wrong. Hilarious.

Let's go with that, though, miss smarty pants.

". ...just because i'm not AAC." Yeah, you're right. It makes total sense for me to say "..just because i'm not African American Club." Gee, i'm just so silly. Your way is definitely right.

Oh, look, again. Let's do it your way. ..."Who the hell said you have to be AAC.."  My way wouldn't make sense at all. My sentence read, "Who the hell said you have to be African American..." Yep. Once again, African American Club would make so much more sense.

if you're going to correct someone, make sure you're able to read English correctly. I could forgive you if English was your second language, but I think you just have a problem with reading comprehension. LMAO You're priceless, I swear.

Just stop replying. Is it really worth it, howcomeandynot??? Do you really have to prove anything? If you believe it and it is true to you?? 

No I don't have to prove anything. 

But I do wish to be respectful of everyone and their opinions.  Which to me means responding with compassion, respect and the truth.  Even if it is not received that way or twisted around by someone else.

I actually feel sorry for the one person, I think we can all tell who it is, that is constantly negative and condescending and rude in her posts.

She obviously has something that she wants me to understand. 

But she is not communicating it effectively with all the name calling, etc.

But she is not communicating it effectively with all the name calling, etc.

And yet you continue to treat every other person on this post who doesn't agree with you, the same way. Funny how that works. You keep saying the same crap over and over, refusing to acknowledge anyone's points. I insulted you to prove a point. No matter how nice someone is and no matter who insults you, you act the same way. You said I was angry because I "name-called", yet you told Myclette SHE was angry, too, though she never called you even one name. (And don't you DARE try to lie your way out of this by saying you were "confused". That's the biggest crock of shit i've ever heard. You've been replying to the wrong people this whole time, and so have others, and they have been corrected time and again just like you have, so don't tell me you haven't picked up on who is who yet.) I'm not a name-caller. You can maybe find 3 people who i've said anything to that was over the line as far as "name-calling" goes. I'm not stupid. I knew how you'd act, but I wanted to prove my point. And you took the bait.

Point proven: You'll weasel out of an intelligent discussion with people who disagree with you, no matter HOW respectful they are, and you'll stoop so low as to even try and correct AN ACRONYM because you think you're slick...even though you made an ass out of yourself with that one. Don't think you're better than anyone just because you don't "name-call". There are plenty of ways for you to be a bitch without EVER cursing or "name-calling". And you've just proven that. 

I respond to everybody in the same manner....................should I not do that?

I same the same thing over and over because my point of view has not changed.

And you should probably read some of your previous responses, like everyone else can.  You have repeatedly called names, been angry, condescending, etc.

Other's have managed to disagree with me, and I with them, in an intelligent, reasonable, and respectful manner.

It is unfortunate that you have chosen a different path.  While you are probably very intelligent and a good person, you do not come across as such because of the method of communication that you are using.

In fact, people that are racist will glob on to your responses and use that as justification for their stance.

I hope that you find what you are looking for in your life.

Thank you for sharing your opinions. 

Oh, you are totally welcome! I had a blast! It's not often someone so willingly makes an ass out of themselves and doesn't even know it. 

My "name calling" was a tactic. Your ignornace, racism, homophobia, and penchant for being dishonest was just you being you.

This is the end of my interaction with you, whether you reply or not. If you need the last word to feel better about yourself, go right ahead. You'll be the only one hearing it.

Curious, but what have I done that was in any way dishonest? 

Not to mention in what manner have I been ignorant, racist, or homophobic?

Again, you are truly being a discredit to yourself in the manner in which you choose to communicate. 

I believe that you are smarter than what you are showing.  It is unfortunate that you do not feel secure enough in either yourself or your point of view to respond with intelligence.

I do not think, nor have I ever said that someone celebrating their culture was racist.

I said that people separating themselves by race only and not allowing others in is racist.

Who in the hell are you talking about, "not letting others in"? Are you talking about the KKK or the Black Panthers? I would LOVE to hear what groups you're talking about that bar the doors of their meetings, that set up roadblocks on the internet so that certain races of computers can't get onto the site.

Call the NAACP and tell them you are white.  Wait for the response.

Oh, so we're talking about ONE group, then? Your big stinkin to-do was all about ONE group?

If you're going to make shit up, try to stick to a group that doesn't have PROVEN white members, k?

Which you like a list of the groups?  I believe I mentioned several in my posting.

The NAACP was founded by Jews.  Organizations separate people by causes.  Sometimes those causes because of race, gender or sexual orientation. If you really wanted to join the NAACP, I suggest you actually do so instead of doing some half-assed research by saying you called.  Contact the actual organization and fill out an application. 

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1595.html

Again, my question was would you like a list of all of the organizations?

Yes I would.  Please give me a list of all of the organizations that you tried to join, then give me proof that you actually tried to join them.

I only addressed the part of your post I deemed erroneous.

I don't disagree with you that discrimination, regardless of who perpetrates it.  This is a problem that won't go away because humans are inherently tribal and part of what defines a tribe  (i.e. Cubs fans) is who is excluded (Dodgers fans).

Image 6 women working in a company that employs 150 men.  The women contend with overt and covert sexism and are sometimes overwhelmed by having to function in an intensely male environment.  For relief and support the women might meet for lunch a couple of times a week,  which might expand to more lunches and other activities and might end up being considered a women's club.  Noticing, a group of men form a men's club.  Imagine the women feeling strongly that a men's club is un-necessary in an environment which is itself a huge men's club, while their club had everything to do with finding support and solidarity in an aggressively difficult environment.  I am not saying this is right, but that it would potentially be the reaction.

It's very sad that this is something that is in the schools.  Our kids are being taught to not hate, or discriminate. But then there can be Latino groups, or Gay groups. But don't dare have a white group or straight group. Thats the problem. I don't mind the groups, groups of support and what not are important.  But when it's a double standard, and a particular group isn't allowed to exist, then it's just wrong. 

 

I work in the schools, and one day I was at the middle school in the office and a group of white girls came busting in, and complaining about the hispanic group thats being "advertised" in the hall out side the office. They them selves pointed out that if they had their own group, they would get shut down and suspended.

 

My kids have been told, that it's okay for the hispanics (My two oldest are at a mostly hispanic highschool) to call them cracker, or threaten them BECAUSE the hispanics are the minorities.  It should not be okay either way at all. AND in this school the whites are the minority, and they not only are having to deal with the discrimination and harrasment of the hispanics, but the hispanic gang members as well. 

 

It is very frustrating though. There just can't be a double standard.

I agree with you that there is a double standard in not just the schools, but America as a whole.  Last time I checked, it was not illegal to be an American Caucasian, but you would think so by some of the actions of others.

I do disagree with you that the groups should be allowed.  Again, it goes to the whole separating by race thing.  I have no problem with support groups.  I just feel that any body can form a support group without it being based on race, skin color, etc.

I applaud you for working in the school systems.  No way could I do it.  You deal with some seriously attitudinal punks and manage to handle yourself professionally.  That would not be the case with me.  I know my weak areas and that is definitely one of them.  Continue with your good work.

Thanks! I choose to work with kindergarten and elementary because of the attitudes.  I have 4 teenagers at home, and get enough attitude from them, lol.

I'm in a women's group at my church. Is that sexist?  There's a NOW, National Organization of Women, should there be a NOM?
What would  a straight group at the school do? Why would someone need support for being straight in America?

We would need support for being straight in America because not being straight is being rammed down our throats under the guise of acceptance and tolerance.

I stand by original post......do not separate yourself and then cry, 'racism'. 

LOL! Uhm, that's funny, here I was thinking legislation stating you can't get married because you don't like the opposite gender was being crammed down people's throats.  That's hysterical!  I like how you equate actual discriminatory legislation and hearing about how Proposition 8 is bigoted.  Clearly they are the same thing. LOL!!!!

Have you mixed my post up with someone else's?  I did not bring up Proposition 8 in this post. 

I did respond to your post about why would someone need support for being straight in America.

You said that tolerance is being crammed down people's throats.  I said actual laws are being passed against certain groups of people (hence me bringing up Prop 8). My point?  I think a law discriminating against a group of people is a lot worse than feeling that tolerance is being crammed down your throat. At the end of the  day, you are still married. 

I think you're mixed up on your own post.

Should you wish to discuss Proposition 8 and/or homosexuality you are more than welcome to read my blog on such and respond to that post. 

Let's keep responses to this one on topic please.

We would need support for being straight in America because not being straight is being rammed down our throats under the guise of acceptance and tolerance.

I guess as long as people are agreeing with you, it's okay to go off topic. 

Again that was in response to your comment.

And some people agree with me here and some do not.

I am sorry that it is clearly angering you so much that I will not begin to call names or get angry with you.

A comment I made in response to tchmymindisback who said, " But then there can be Latino groups, or Gay groups. But don't dare have a white group or straight group." Someone who you didn't tell to stay on topic by the way because she agreed with you.

I'm not angry at all.  You don't know me very well if you think I'm angry.

I haven't called you a name. What the heck are you talking about?

BAHAHAHA *gasp, pant*

Oh mah gawd. We're sittin here crackin the hell up, and they think you're angry? I guess when they get mad, they just assume everyone else around them is angry, too. However, it's probably because you're black, Myclette. You know you tend to catch that angry black woman disease when someone doesn't agree with you. MYCLETTE SMASH!

LOL!  At least you know when I'm really mad. Probably because you actually know me outside of the blogosphere.

Yeah, and I also know that just because what someone says is total BS and you explain to them WHY it's total BS..that doesn't mean you're angry. But hey, she shold know you better than I do. She lives with black folk, she knows more about "them", obviously. I totally don't have her street cred. 

The epitome of racism, declaring it is because someone is 'black'

Shame on you!!!!!!!

Oh my god I know, shame on me! Is this where I get my wet noodle lashings, now? I know how "you people" like to get your lashings on! Damn crackers. 

She was being sarcastic.  

Even with the 'crackers' comment, huh?

Again, the epitome of racism.

Once again, she's being sarcastic especially since she's white. Her entire reply is dripping with sarcasm.  

Which is exactly why I said she comes across as angry and hurt.  There is no need for put downs and sarcasm.

This is an important issue and people should be willing to work together, even with different ideas and views, without behaving in the manner she has chosen.

You also said I was coming across angry.  

yes, when I confused you with the individual doing the name calling, etc.  I believe I already apologized for that, immediately, upon realizing my error.

First of all, I owe you an apology.  You are absolutely correct, you did not call me any names, that was a different person responding to my post.

I apologize 100% for my error.

Now, I told you to stay on point because you brought up Propostion 8, which has nothing to do with people forming groups like the one I mentioned in my post.

Had the person that agreed with me brought up Proposition 8, be there for or against, and I would have told them the same thing.

What that other person did bring up, you yourself mentioned it in your previous response, was different types of groups separating themselves by race, skin color, etc., which is exactly what my post was about.

Again, I apologize 100% for confusing you with the name caller on this blog.

You replied to my comment about having a straight club at school, therefore you had no problem going off topic when it came to defending what someone said when that person actually agreed with  your post.

If you are going to not mind people bringing up straight clubs and if you are going to complain about tolerance for gays being crammed down your throat, someone else bringing up Prop 8 as an example of discrimination against gay people is not off topic.  If you are going to tell someone to keep to the topic, you've got to do it yourself. (Which you didn't as soon as you replied to me on behalf of tchmymndisback.)

I accept your apology, but for the record I don't resort to name calling.

Especially in school, kids feel left out and not good enough for all kinds of reasons.   Having been skinny when I was in highschool I was the thin girl among a pretty large group of girls, many my best friends, who were over weight.  I felt alone, and picked on at times because of it. I didn't understand alot of things they went through, but also, they often made it seem as though I was cold and heartless because I was skinny.  Not that I needed a group for skinny girls, but I'm just saying, that especially in school, you could have a support group for just about anything.  Some girls feel pressured to at least behave bisexually, I had alot of pressure from guys to be with other girls, it was difficult, I can't imagine what the pressure would be like these days.

Whether it's silly or not, I just think that anyone should be allowed to start a group of any kind.   As long as it's not a hating/violent group like the KKK.

I agree with you to a point.  All I am saying is that I do not think people should be able to have groups based on just one thing, i.e., race, color, etc., and then complain about racism when they themselves are separating by race.

I agree with you too.  I read your response regarding rape victem/survivors support group and get what you are saying.  There doesn't need to be a Latino group, instead there can be a group of "students against discrimination" and anyone, any color, from any walk of life, can join. And be supported.

 

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wish other's would get it and not be so quick to anger and sarcasm.

: )

1) There is a group called students against discrimination.

2) So if you can have a support group for just about anything, why do you have a problem with a gay group?  People don't get beat up for being straight.  You don't get teased for being straight.  Skinny, maybe, but not because you're straight. You don't get told you're going to hell because you're straight.  The majority of people in the United States are straight.  Straight people can get married to whomever they chose.  You can even marry a serial killer on death row (as in the Ramirez case) as long as you are straight. So again, what exactly would a straight club talk about?  What would be their cause or agenda?

3) Explain why there doesn't need to be a Latino group. What do Latino groups do? What is their agenda?

Caucasians never have to look hard to find someone who looks like them, so a group wouldn't be needed.  If there was a historically black school, and white students wanted to have a group, then that would be more, senseful.

Blacks, Latinos, and Gays are monorities.  There was a time where pretty much no one on television was black, or talked about things that were important to black culture...which is why television has channels such as BET, TV1, etc.  Regular tv doesn't go 5 minutes without showing someone white, but until recently, it pretty much never showed anyone of color.

Same goes for schools.  In most districts most of the students are white and straight, so minority students form clubs so that they can see people of similar backgrounds, viewpoints, and such.  That isn't needed for whites, because they are the majority.

Another thing is, what do you feel that white people are losing by not having "White Pride Clubs"? Do you feel that they are drifting away from their culture, no, because their culture is everywhere!

The beauty of America is that it is a tossed salad of different backgrounds.  The minute we melt into one monotonous unit were are no longer that.  We become just like all the other countries!

Obviously you and Myclette and Perrye are, wait, what was the phrase? Ohh, there it is..you just have not "taken the time to read it a little more carefully."

Apparently to understand retardation, one must "read it a little more carefully." 

Please do not insult others responses to my blog.  Freedom of speech is essential in this country and we do not all have to agree to be allowed to express our opinion. 

I have not insulted anyone, nor will I.

Usually, those that choose to bulldoze their opinion through with name calling and put downs choose that path because they either cannot or will not take the time to form respectful, thoughtful responses.

I didn't insult k10, she is in fact a friend of mine, but once again, you are entirely too stupid to understand what just happened.

I chose not to be respectful because you are a moron. Any intelligent remarks that could have been made, already have been made, and they flew right over your pea-brain. But I thought you might understand words like "stupid", so I figured i'd break it down to your level.

But I was wrong. You are so painfully retarded, you can't even figure out who i've insulted.

It was not clear who you were insulting, nor does it matter.

It is inappropriate.

Sorry that you feel the need to stoop down to name calling and insults.

If you could understand big-people words, I wouldn't have to use words children can understand.

What I find inappropriate is the fact that you're trying to have conversations with adults and you don't even understand what you're spewing. You're kind of like a monkey. You don't understand what's going on, so you get frustrated and fling poo at the nearest person trying to calm you down. It's apparent to us all that you don't have a grasp on reality. You didn't have to tell us you're white and straight, it was painfully and sickeningly obvious.

As a matter of fact, I did not state who I thought you were insulting.............it does not matter.

It is inappropriate.

Yes, you did. If you could understand English, you'd know that.

You said: Please do not insult others responses to my blog.

You should add "learning to read" to your list of New Year's Resolutions.

I am so sorry for you.  You clearly have a huge amount of anger and hurt in your life.  It is unfortunate that you allow this anger and hurt to advance the very thing you are supposedly against............racism.

When you respond with such a level of obvious rage you diminish your credibility, thereby causing less people to listen to what you have to say.

Since this is obviously a very important issue to you, maybe you should try and not be so condescending and angry.  Just an idea.


Other's have managed to disagree with me without the put downs and the name calling.

Several people have responded to my blog, therefore the response to not insults others responding to the blog was appropriate and did not specify any one person in particular.

Clearly you thought she already insulted someone since you didn't make this directive towards anyone else.  And why would you think she insulted anyone besides k10 since this is the string of replies MM responded in?  Why would it be even close to logical for her reply to k10 to be an insult to, say... Myclette?  Obviously you thought MM insulted k10, otherwise you wouldn't have replied what you replied, where you replied it.

She mentioned several names in her post on top of being in the string of responses to K10.

LMAO! That's rich. You can't comprehend what you've typed, I point that out to you, and i'm angry? That's hilarious!

Rage? OMG are you sitting next to me and I just can't see you!? I looooove how you totally know everyone you interact with inside and out after only talking to them for a couple minutes. That's a neat trick. Won't you teach me?

And yes, it was specific. You replied to my reply to k10. I had not yet interacted with anyone else who replied to you. But thanks for playing. I see you're now trying harder to read! Progress indeed has been made...somewhat.

son of a bitch!  i wrote an awesome reply and pressed cancel

Boooo! You need to try and do it over so I can get really angry and..and...use my keyboard. AHHH! The horror!

something about... my disdain when people think that because they don't understand something, then it isn't right.  or just because they think something is wrong, that it is wrong.

LOL!

Well, I have heard similar things from you in anotehr blog and we talked about it. I totally agree and understand your point, and I am white. But, I disagree with the part about

 

"Same goes for schools.  In most districts most of the students are white and straight, so minority students form clubs so that they can see people of similar backgrounds, viewpoints, and such.  That isn't needed for whites, because they are the majority. "

 

The part I don't necessarily agree with it that it isn't needed for whites. I think that American culture in general is all mixed up and it is not just 'white culture' that is everywhere. The American culture is a mix of all of the different cultures and groups that have lived here for so long together. My culture is going to eat Chinese food and listening to hip hop or jazz and Christianity and things that are so multi racial. So, I just don't think that is fair to say that white people don't need or deserve to have thier own groups...Although I wouldn't want to join one because I agree with the initial statements. I just try to remember that we all have feelings and all want to be included in all things. We don't all agree and I think some of you are being very rude about all of this.

 

If you think the person responsible for the blog is wrong or moronic...Don't comment, leave it alone. Because nothing you say will change the mind of that person any how...

Where did i ever state that I "think the person responsible for the blog is wrong or moronic."? I NEVER said that or insinuated it, and even if I did, who are you to tell me what to do? I am a grown woman and am not your child, don't get it twisted!

And who are "some of [us]" who are being "very rude"?  And what qualifies you to determine what is and what isn't rude?

Well, I was not talking about you when I said that I the part about if you think the person responsible for the blog is wrong or moronic...I wasn't even telling someone what to do!!! I was giving a suggestion. I was not talking to you like you were my child!! I was stating my opinion, like you have done as well, that I think some people here have been rude! They have...not just one...several... I am qualified to call someone rude when I feel they have been. I think that is an opinion as well... I may think something is rude when you don't...just like stated above that just because one person is mad doesn't mean that the other people in the conversation are too... You don't have to think something is rude that I do...That is a liberty that we are all granted here on mindsay, to have an opinion and feelings...

 

It seems like the people who have commented on this blog are looking for an arguement. I don't want to argue because everyone's opinions are different.

Thank you mythoutsonit!!!!!!!

I try to respond respectfully.  However, others on this blog are clearly looking for a fight and getting down right rude when they don't get one.

that's my point, just because you think something is rude, that doesn't make it rude.

what do you feel that whites are missing out on by not having a White organization? It's not a matter of deserving one, it's not need.  The world is headed towards globalization which is a western, primarily white, mode of standards...in beauty, politics, religion, and all else.  I can't think of anything that whites are missing out on by not having a White organization.

I didn't say whites are missing out on something. Why isn't about deserving...? Everyone else has one.. I think  it is about every one having something they feel they belong to. I am not saying that just because we are white we need a group, it is the huamn feelings of wanting be a part of something. There are a lot of white people who feel they are part of nothing, like they don't belong.

I said I don't think that America is full of only white cultures, I think it is a completely mixed culture...I look around and I see all sorts of beauty, I mean most of the beautiful women I see day to day are African American women...

 

What I was also trying to say is if I think something is rude, then it is rude to me. You don't have to agree. It is my opinion and feelings to think something is rude or not...

 

beauty, as a whole...are based on European standards, and with globalization this principle permeates all societies.

so, because a white person doesn't feel they belong to something, they need a white group?  even though unlike the other groups they aren't doing it to be around people like themselves ...because they get that everyday?  all rhetorical questions!

No, no that is not what I meant. People in general, white and black and yellow, brown all want to feel like they have a group or something to belong to. I think groups based on race or whatever can make others (although inadvertanly) feel left out or that they are not a part of anything important. I have always felt that way because I always look different than everyone else. (I am over weight) I wanted to belong to something not just a fat people group or whatever but because I was a part of something bigger than myself.. No pun intended...

 

I will agree with the European standards thing...It is nuts. I bought my wedding dress like 3 sizes bigger than what I would normally wear because they told me they were made to European standards. I had to have it let out and taken up... I felt like a short fatty!

but that's the opposite of what it is!  everyday, i get on the bus, i am the first black person around all asians...i get to class, and I'm the only black person in a class of whites

an association for black people would be the only place where i truly felt that I fit in.  if I was white, i wouldn't need the association, because I wouldn't feel that I was the [odd, lol] sheep of  group every group I'm already a part of

Okay, I see that. I really do.

 

But for me it is just about finding somewhere I can feel equal, not like everyone is staring at me because I am over weight. Not even the looks that bother me i guess, it is just purely about making me feel like I am just one of the group...

And, I am sorry you feel that way. It shouldn't be that way. I know it is, but is not right.

because even though the culture has different cultures, they are all watered down to fit into the European one we brought over when we came here

Never said whites were missing out by not having an organization all their own.  You completely missed the point of my post.

What I said was that no one should be able to have a group that separates based on race, skin color, etc., and that includes white people.

I also feel that it is wrong to say others can have groups based on race, but whites cannot.  That is not the same as saying whites need a group.

I am saying it should not happen period.

i was replying to someone else

I am aware of that.  Starting to figure the response system on this blog out.  However, just cause you were responding to someone else doe's not mean I cannot respond to you anyway.

i didn't say you couldn't respond to me, i was just letting you know that your post about what was and wasn't "what [you] never said" was frivolous

I don't believe that, not from my perspective. I honestly see so many different cultures watered down to be one big society of difference. I mean we have hispanic heritage in our community and asian heritage and it is blended...If we were to go to Vietnam or Mexico it would not be like that.

 

I also want you to know that although we disgree about things, I am in no way trying to imply you are wrong. I like to hear different perspective...It gives my world more perspective and that helps me to learn.

well, it's true.  a chinese restaurant in america is different from one in china.  different animals and things are left off the menus because they do not fit in with western society.

lol, that was a tension breaker... Thank you.   Sometimes I let me perspective pull me in too deep and I forget what I should not be forgetting... <><

You are a beautiful person k10 and I honestly can say I have learned from you...

Hopefully we can chat about something sometime we agree on... Maybe...

lol, doubt it...but you never know.

AWW come on... never... we can't disagree about everything...? right?

not everything

I also think that personal perspective are built upon life experiences and environment. So, that is why some people don't ever see eye to eye. That doesn't mean we cannot be civil...

i'm civil

I know, I didn't mean you weren't. Just that we can disagree about things because of our environment and still be civil (society as a whole, not just us).

Thanks for responding to my blog.

If you would take the time to read it a little more carefully, you will see that I absolutely believe that we should all embrace and celebrate our culture, our heritage.

And you should probably check your numbers.........whites are quickly becoming the minority in all of America and already have in some spots.

And I do not feel that 'whites are losing' by these clubs existing.  I feel that everyone loses when any form of racism is allowed to exist.

What is wrong is the separation of human beings based on color of skin, race, etc.

Why can we not celebrate our culture and heritage without an "us four, no more, shut the door." mentality?

You're white? Hey -- I'm white, too! Let's celebrate!  I see nothing wrong with this whatsoever.

Where should we start?

-- S

With some fried pork chops and cold applesauce.  Lol.

You tell me, where would you like to start?

Sorry - I don't eat pork.  Part of my relgion.

I suppose we could talk about the hard issues that affect Caucasian Americans. Did you know that a whole bunch of Circuit City stores are shutting down across the country? It's madness! There's one less option for us to purchase our oversized televisions...

Um... what else...

That Lindsay Lohan sure speaks for our kind, doesn't she?

Hmmm.... Okay. I'm out of ideas. How about you?

-- S

Actually my husband and I have been telling people for the last three years that it is not a recession on the horizon but a major depression.  We were both working in the financial world at the time and tried to give as many people a heads up as possible.

It is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.

Okay, now I am getting off point.

Back to the point.

Not a fan of Lindsay Lohan, there are uneducated or unintelligent people in all races.

And 'our kind' is the human race.  That was kinda the point of my blog.  Why separate by skin color, race, etc., when we are all human.

Celebrate our heritage but don't shut others out in the process.

Wonderful! I'm excited to hear about our shared heritage from an expert! Please to share some of the wonderful high points of our Caucasian American heritage.

(And the fact that Caucasian Americans created professional wrestling doesn't count.)

-- S

LMAO! Shiny!

Hey - don't laugh; we also have the Monroe Doctorine in our column.

-- S

Damn, I mean pro wrestling was one of the best Caucasian American achievements ever!  Can't we talk about it Shiny??  Please?  Pretty please?

Maybe we need an anthropologist to be a moderator of this whole discussion.  They are suppose to be some of the most informed people about culture.