Suppose Mr. A dislikes Ms. B and kills her for no reason other than he prefers to live in a world without her. Has Mr. A done anything "wrong", "bad", or "sinful"? Why? What do words like "wrong" really mean? What I'm trying to understand is: on what basis should Mr. A refrain from killing Ms. B?

 

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deeterz on
Re: Question #19
i believe that Mr.A has done something "wrong", "bad", or "sinful", because no one person has the right to judge wether or not a person should live.
graymatter on
Re: Question #19
why not? on what basis should Mr. A refrain from killing Ms. B? That is, why doesn't a person "have that right", as you put it.
deeterz on
Re: Question #19
two reasons.

it's morally and socially wrong.

both of those reasons [morals and socal right and wrong] were, i believe, created to prevent anarchy.

which i believe is wrong. because when anarchy reigns, no one is safe. Their lives, posessions, and loved ones can be taken from them much easier than if there was a decent legal system.

graymatter on
Re: Question #19
Why must this man (Mr A) care about any "lives, possessions, and loved ones" that are not his?
deeterz on
Re: Question #19
because if he cares about other's "lives possesions and loved ones" then others will most likely care about his. It's pretty much the only way he can get others to care about his.

graymatter on
Re: Question #19
Does he need others to care?  why?
deeterz on
Re: Question #19
it's a matter of self intrest if others care about what is good for him.
graymatter on
Re: Question #19
I understand.  Must "A" have this self interest or do we assume he does because we do?
deeterz on
Re: Question #19
we assume "A" has a self intrest because he is still alive. Meaning, if someone does not have self intrest they will either kill themselves or allow themselves to be killed.
graymatter on
Re: Question #19
interesting.  keep in mind that this is not my question but one i found.  I am thinking through it just as you are.  What we have here is a snap shot in time.  Even if being alive equals self interest, we do not even know that he is alive.  For all i know "A" was killed or killed himself after he killed "B".  All really "know" is what is actually in the question.
onewalrus on
Re: Question #19
I read a study on cognition and instinct recently. The study shows that our respect for life is genetic, that knowing it is wrong to harm/kill another is not a learned behavior. Also, it has been proven that soldiers experience a traumatic, irreversible psychological shift at the moment of killing for the first time. Regardless of training and conditioning, their minds are forced to take one of two directions, sociopathy or insanity.
Thus, taking the above facts into consideration, I would say Mr. A is not acting out of a healthy mind. So, Mr. A's absence of  a healthy mind make consideration of his actions being wrong, bad, or sinful irrelevant.
My belief is the issue is one of health v disease. However, if considered outside that realm what you are asking reads to do is justify and/or explain things which are exclusively subjective by nature. That being the case, there is no answer to your questions, but instead a open argument of subjective reasoning with, certainly, some Bible quoted thrown in for "proofs".
graymatter on
Re: Question #19
Thoughtful answer, thanks. This question may not have an answer, just more questions. I am not sure.

onewalrus on
Re: Question #19
I'm liking this en seriatum.
graymatter on
Re: Question #19
good.  i am glad.
onewalrus on
Re: Question #19
(this is the best page design to date Phil... it looks fantastic)
graymatter on
Re: Question #19
my name is not phil. I got that question online and credited the author. And thanks.
onewalrus on
Re: Question #19
(this is the best page design to date not Phil... it looks fantastic)
graymatter on
Re: Question #19
I am dobie.  and, thanks.
SaikotikGunman on
Re: Question #19
This ties in, as have a few of these, with relative morality.  If it is wrong, according to the consensus of the society in which these individuals live, then Mr. A has done something wrong.  If it is against the commandments of his religion, then he has also sinned.
graymatter on
Re: Question #19
So, pycho, has he done something wrong?  if so, on what basis?
SaikotikGunman on
Re: Question #19
If his culture frowns on murder, then yes.

If not, then I don't see the problem.

It's relative.
graymatter on
Re: Question #19
all we know is what is in the question.  we don't know his culture.
SaikotikGunman on
Re: Question #19
Then we can't say.
graymatter on
Re: Question #19
decent answer.  read some of the other responses psycho.
SaikotikGunman on
Re: Question #19
I have.  I merely disagree.

In feudal Japan, it was perfectly within a daimyo's right to draw his sword and decapitate any of his retainers at a whim.

Everything is relative to the context in which it takes place.
graymatter on
Re: Question #19
disagree with whom?  The question is "what is the basis?"  "We can't say" is a decent answer.
SaikotikGunman on
Re: Question #19
The people who outright said it was wrong. 
graymatter on
Re: Question #19
I am working through it with them.  But, in the end, how they feel about it is not my call.  I think it is wrong, but that is not really the point of the question.  the real question is "what is the basis?" as you know.
SaikotikGunman on
Re: Question #19
Quite.  It's not my place to judge their answers.

Free thought!
graymatter on
Re: Question #19
yup.  nor theirs to judge yours (at least with respect to these sorts of questions)
patchesmom on
Re: Question #19
Has Mr A done anything wrong?  Hmmmm, in my eyes, heart, mind.....YES! NO ONE has that right to TAKE life from anyone else.  That said though, Mr A does not need to feel guilt, sin or bad about how he feels about Ms B.  Labeling ones feelings as "bad" or "good" does not make that much sense.  Just accept what "is".  This is a concept I am learning and I can agree with it in the sense that sometimes there is not really a "right/wrong" or "good/bad".  However, my view on life and right to life just is my view, and I think that it was not a choice that Mr A should be ok with making.  He could have moved to a different area to live without Ms. B.
graymatter on
Re: Question #19
"Mr A does not need to feel guilt, sin or bad . . ."

why? on what basis should Mr. A feel guilt for killing Ms. B?
patchesmom on
Re: Question #19
well, in context, I said he should not feel guilt, sin or bad for how he feels.  I do think that if he killed her though, unless he had no capacity for human emotion and emotional warmth, I would think there would be no way he could avoid feeling bad, guilty, or sinful.  Thinking in terms of "doing no harm" to others should allow you to feel the way you choose to feel without attaching a label of guilt, good, bad, etc to it.  But when you act on those feelings, and the possibility of someone actually suffering because of those actions.....well, that's an entirely different ball game.
graymatter on
Re: Question #19
Should we do no harm to others? if not, why not?
patchesmom on
Re: Question #19
well, I feel we should do no harm to others.  I know that many would disagree with me.  But from a personal standpoint, I know that it's the way I have to live my life, because when I do harm to others, I personally cannot be at peace.
graymatter on
Re: Question #19
that works for me as well.  Is it necessary that it works for "A"? 
patchesmom on
Re: Question #19
depends on if he's a friend of mine   friends of mine would have to have some sense of the same way of thinking as me..........I don't know that I could align myself or be friends with someone that would have no feelings of guilt for killing someone for no reason.  But that's just me
graymatter on
Re: Question #19
nor would he likely be my friend. 

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