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I think monogamy takes a great deal of submission. There's that presumption that many alpha males need to spread their seed and conquer as much vagina out there as possible-survival of the fittest and yada etc. As humans though, like you said, it is a product of one's beliefs and upbringings that make us different from being just savage creatures with no respect for the sanctity of marriage. Some people just believe being a swinger is more natural...I think it's alright to believe in whatever you want just as long as you know what you're getting yourself into.
A monogamous relationship requires total commitment and absolute truth between both mates, and we all know what happens when someone lies or cheats: that trust is broken...thus relationships get fucked.
I agree. That is what makes us the 'the lucky ones'. Humans have choice. Choose to be monogamous, choose not to be- its just that any choice also means consequences. While most have no problem with the choice part, its the other end of the equation- (((the consequences)))- that people seem to struggle with.
I agree, it makes perfect sense that monogamy and submission go hand in hand. Because in reality everyone has opportunities to cheat.. but we make a choice. Its choosing to be faithful and honest with your partner.. because maybe you want them to be happy above your own desires?
hmm, in my first marriage.... because i was miserable and tired of trying to make it work, i would say that cheating would have been rather easy if not for my conscience. Now, in my second marriage i am content and don't think that that would ever happen. the difference being that I want to make this marriage work, it is a joint effort. but the question of once a cheater, always a cheater? I dont think so. if someone finds the one person that makes them truly happy.... i doubt that they would cheat again.
Yeah I think unhappiness can be a huge factor in what drives a person to cheat. But like you said its your conscience, or your beliefs that keep you from doing so, even if you arent happy in your situation. But I understand your point, if someone is totally content with their relationship, they wouldnt feel the need or even the urge to cheat.
People like to think we are one step above animals. We are not. Our animalistic nature does not lend itself to monogamy. If one chooses marriage, one should be ready to forgo this nature and be faithful. If not, don't marry. It's that simple.
Oh this is such bullsh!t lol -- penguins are monogamous, so of course it is natural.
You place your "of course it's natural" on the monogamous shoulders of penguins. Yeah, you've got a real argument there.
Can you say that it is UNnatural?
I rest my case.
I rest my case.
My statement sweeps not if you comprehend instead of just read. It is neither natural nor unnatural. Placing penguins as the center of your viewpoint is absurd.
Maybe if you understood the satire in my comment, you would realise that his sweeping statement is pretty absurd too. See, I TRY helping you understand, but it just does not work with you!! =)
I understand completely.
But you alluded to "our animalistic nature" and you also said we are not above being animals. If someone points out that there are some animals that are monogamous, how is this being absurd?
I suppose it's not absurd since it's uh...satire.
You didn't see it as satirical to begin with.
Perhaps.
Well yes. I know that SOME animals are monogamous, like penguins. But then some of them arent. And I think maybe its the same for people? It comes more naturally to some than others.
Then he has no right making a sweeping statement like "it is unnatural". Whatever, dude!
He said it to excuse himself, but he seems like a common whore to me.
If I were talking to him, I would say, "Whatever helps you sleep at night!" LOL
If I were talking to him, I'd give him an incredulous look and walk away. Yes, I am mean tho. Sorry for calling him a whore. lol.
Nothing wrong with stating the facts, if you ask me =)
I don't know why some people justify their behavior and act like no one is going to get hurt. Sometimes I just want to give people a piece of my mind, but sometimes I think it's better if I don't.
I give them a piece of my mind, but you are right for being cautious about taking those steps. I get into some trouble sometimes with that!
Some people are not worth arguing with tho. 
I make no excuses. I am a whore. No need to apologize.
omg! so you are the boy to whom she refers?!?!
oh boy
oh boy
Could be.
oh for pete's sake lol
Who's pete?
My uncle. Now, for his sake, are you that boy? lol
LOL. No, I am not he of whom she speaks.
I am not lying though, he really is my uncle lol -- I have an Uncle Pete.
You asked!!
You asked!!
Actually I do too but it's pretty distant.
Humans have a perpetual breeding season not restricted to the impulses of alpha-males or females. Some might say only people who live in fairy-tales of religion pin morality on it and call it "cheating". Others might say that humans are weak and that the fun, excitement, gratification and the thrill are too much for them to overcome and resist. And then there is the issue of appetite. Just as we all have our preferences for different foods, we have them sexually too. Some religions prohibit certain foods as well as sexual restrictions. If you tell someone "Thou shalt not eat pizza" they're gonna really want some pizza. And finally, remember the song "The Thrill is Gone"? Yea, that happens too.
So you think that people only assume it is natural and right because of the restrictions put on it by religion?
It's easy for people to state they're all for it until they have to deal with the emotions of it. It usually involves deception, lying and overall, disrespect. Players though, have no respect for emotions. Life and people are a game to them. Avoid them if you can. In love and war, there are no rules. However, if you have exchanged vows before your God you're all in for the long haul. The closest I want to come to stating an opinion on this is that the only people who really have a right to surprise and hurt are those who are married. Trust, without vows or a legal contract, is for suckers.
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