Oikoumene!

OK, I admit it, I have this love/hate relationship with the Roman Catholic Church. However, of late, it seems that the Roman Church keeps doing things to reinforce the latter emotion. Just a few days ago the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia honored it's 200th anniversary by offering it's members a plenary indulgence. Shades of Pre-Reformation days, not to mention Pre*Vatican II(!).

Then on July 11 Pope Benedict XVI issues a declaration which essentially says that Protestant churches are mere "ecclesial communities" and their ministers effectively phonies with no right to give communion. Ahhhh! Shades of Pope Leo XIII, who in his "Apostolicae Curae", stated much the same thing back in the late 19th Century when he stated that Anglican Clergy were not really consecrated with the right intent to carry on Apostolic Succession! Even Pope Leo XIII couldn't fault that the Bishops of the Anglican Church, which he knew had an actual physical succession of Bishops within the Anglican Church from the Bishops consecrated before the break with Rome. Needless to say, the skinny on that gets involved with the ordination form in the Book of Common Prayer and we don't need to get into that here. What does result is a significant setback to unity. One would have hoped that the Pope would have been bigger than that.

I wonder if this Pope realizes that even Protestants look up to him and for many of the faithful who are Protestants this represents an offensive statement which diminishes his influence and respect.

Ecumenism has certainly been struck a severe blow. Someone needs to remind him that "People who live in glass houses should NOT throw stones!" My father who is a Roman Catholic convert and is staunchly Roman Rite, said this very thing the other day. He reminded me that once upon a time there were three popes! Three popes all at once! So, one is left to wonder about Roman Rite ordination and Apostolic Succession.

Then Benedict XVI reinstates the use of the traditional Catholic Latin (Tridentine) Mass! One can only wonder why!? Another huge step away from Vatican II. (One can only wonder how many priests these days can actually speak Latin?) The current Mass is actually an older form dating to the 2nd Century AD.

Now, as if to add insult to injury, the Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles has agreed to settle its clergy sexual abuse cases for something like $600 million! What on earth were they thinking? Then of course, one is left wondering just how many cases of clergy sexual abuse that they had in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles!?! Hello! Earth to the Archbishop of Los Angles! How do you spell BANKRUPT?

Pax aye,

CuldeeDeacon †

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semiomniscient on

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http://transfigurebatonrouge.blogspot.com/2006/06/home-for-st-matthew-apostle-orthodox.html

This is the Eastern Orthodox church in BR that an Eastern Orthodox guy I've been corresponding with in Florida (i think) has told me about for you and I to check out... to at least say that we did. This is just the directions to it. They have a blogspot account which you can find from there.

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culdeedeacon on

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Are you telling me that you are interested in visiting an Orthodox Church? I do know the man who founded this mission and he is a former Episcopal priest. He is preparing to be an Orthodox Priest. Quite frankly, while I have always been a closet Orthodox I am much more interested in AMiA. See:

http://www.allsaintsanglicanbr.org

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semiomniscient on

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Well it was more for you than for me that I asked about it. (I secretly want you out of the Roman Catholic church you've been attending... mwahahha!) I didn't know about the Anglican mission... that I'd really like to go to. But I'm interested in visiting the Orthodox Church at least once... to say I did you know? They have some very interesting ideas that tend to really clash with Western thought in general... it doesn't seem so different at face value... but then you realize just how much after you take it more in depth.