Here's my deal with the pledge of allegiance.
So, it's not that I disrespect my country; trust me, I don't. But, I'm not too into the whole deal of the pledge of allegiance. There are so many things that I would rather pledge allegiance to: God, the world, the earth, other species, life in general, humanity...
It almost seems like pledging to my country is a little silly, because there are things that are so much more important that I am not pledging allegiance to. Why isn't it so? Why don't we?
Even if I was to pledge allegiance to my country, I would want it to mean something. It seems like barfing out those words doesn't mean anything anymore. I mean, who really feels anything while pledging allegiance to the country?
I don't want to make anyone angry, because it's not that I disrespect our country. I don't, trust me! I just wish something as important as a pledge would mean something, instead of an emotionless, machine-like recitation of something we learned in elementary school.
I should write my own pledge to God, the earth, etc.
I would recite them when I felt like it was needed.
(Or, is pledging similar to prayer? No, prayer is talking to God, nevermind, something a little different...)

What do you guys think about this?
 
   

 


 
 
Benga on
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Hmm, interesting.  Here in Canada we don't really have a pledge.  There is a bit of one in our national anthem, but hardly as such.   I think pledges should mean something whenever they are used, so if they're going to use them in the schools or whatnot, they should first explain what it's all about so that people can actually mean what they say because they where taught to say it.  Kinda like training to jump out of an airplane with a parachute..... and not explaining what the parachute is for, or how it works. *chuckles*

♥ Dan

craziecookie on
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Well you see, the pledge of allegiance is a little creepy. They make the kids in elementary schools recite it every day.

It's a little weird?
I remember the german exchange students coming here and thinking that ti was just the creepiest thing ever that our high school recites it once a week.
Benga on
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Well.... it's not so creepy as weird to me, although I can see how it would be to a lot of people.  I'm just naturally the pledge type    Not for a country though..... back in Awana (a Christian kids study/outreach) we pledged our faith all the time, and when I was in St. John's Ambulance (volunteer first aid group) we used to recite the "Pro Utilitate Hominum" (a pledge of faith and service to help, the words in my header are all taken/adapted from parts of it) all the time.

♥ Dan

craziecookie on
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I remember awanas!!!
Benga on
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Ah, so it's in the US too?  I didn't know that, very cool! ^_^

♥ Dan

robertncheek on
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As a political science student, we learned that a citizen goes through many stages of growth towards good citizenship. One of which is the player/team phonomenon. That is, the simpliest thing for a child to understand, and you see it in children who are just learning to play with others. We are together on this team, they are on that team. We want to win, which means they have to lose. They start to identify with this as their team, their country. The identify this through the flag. and eventually through the most well seen of our leaders- the President.

The way for us to teach them pride in their country and in their way of life is to cause an idealogical alignment that they can understand. The easiest way- an easy to remember poem which they may not understand but brings those feelings of pride and nationalism. Yes we can all rattle offthe words, they were drilled into our heads enough. But as we grow and learn the meanings, they can subltly and subconsciously take on new meanings.

 

     I pledge alligience to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic, for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

 

I get a chill just typing it, and when I say it, the same as when I hear or sing the National Anthem. Its a declaration of teams. THIS IS MY TEAM. Every time you say it you are pledging your allegience not only to the flag, but to the country it flies over and the country people think of when they see it. a single nation under God, that is indivisible, where there is liberty and justice for all. A beacon of light in the darkness.

 

I can understand that on first glance people see it as trivial and I am not one to say you hate your country because you don't want to say it. But I can say for sure that, the feeling that you don't want people to think you hate your country. the worry that you feel that someone might question your loyalty. that means its working. You have your team. Let no man question your integrity.

 

Welcome to America. Ideology is key to subtle Nationalism without fanaticism.

 

By the way, as a note. Notice the second and final line of the pledge. The punctuation is correct. Although most people take a breath, the correct pledge is one nation under god not one nation, under god. A small change, yes, but huge as far as meaning goes. Whether you want to believe it or not, we are a christian country.

 

Well theres my long winded explanation and history lesson- the pledge of course comes from post-civil war era, with under god added during WWII.

craziecookie on
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I'm aware that I live in utopian lala land, but it seems like humanity would be farther along if we got rid of the whole "country" idea, and just lived together as human beings. As far as I'm concerned, that's the way ti should be.
...But I also realize that that isn't the way it ever will be.
It seems so petty to say that we are trying to "win" over other teams. What do you mean by "win"? War of attrition kind of "win," or "I have more power" kind of "win"? Why do we need to "win"? Why should we? In fact, I would think that trying to "win" would defeat the point of peace. Peace is the goal, right? (Right.) Winning and hoping others lose is disturbing that.

I do not feel any sense of patriotism. But, I don't feel like I'm being disrespectful. I have better things, as I see it, to be devoting my respect to, other than government and lines on a map (not to mention our culture).

I stand during the pledge of allegiance out of respect for others, but I do not speak it. It would not be in my nature to do so.
ToplessBlogger on
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A minor correction...

The phrase "Under God" was not added During WWII, it was added ten years later, and its inclusion in the pledge does not make us by default a Christian country.  Yes, a majority of people here identify themselves as Christian.  However, that does not give them free license to demand everyone accept that and like it.  (I'm not saying you said that, please don't misunderstand....)

I got in trouble more times than I can recall in elementary school for refusing to say the pledge as it is currently written.  I never believed in a nation under God.  Still don't.  We are not a theocracy.
craziecookie on
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You know, I think that ti should be taken out. I'm a Christian, but it's not like "Under God" is going to convince anyone to follow Christ.
I don't quite understand why people want it in there so badly.
robertncheek on
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Thank you for clarifying that I didn't in fact say it. But the simple fact of the matter is that the US was founded as a Christian nation. There is no denying it. Besides the Christian, Diest, and Mason beliefs of our forefathers there is the fact that from our money to the prayer opening our Legislative body, to the fact that in court you swear on a bible to the fact that the basis of our laws is the 10 commandments. I don't care what argument you have. We were founded as a Christian country.

 

The separation of church and state argument I can address later if youd like.

 

Its not meant for anyone to follow christ, were not prostylitizing for a sect. Were imbibing law with morality. and Morality with ideology. They may not have been in MENSA but the founders were geniuses.

 

As far as the "win" problem. The thing is we don't teach our children this to win... were not pressing a win over anyone, just the team mentality. and as far as expanding it. a win doesnt have to be war. how about economy. commerce. health. status of education. one of many things we no longer lead in. i think we need a little more competitiveness before, as ive blogged before. we lose a generation and our country.

redwoodpecker on
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I refused to say the pledge at some point, and nothing bad happened to me.  In fact, the only thing that happened was a few others stopped standing for the pledge as well, in addition to basically being a prayer, there's no need for our kids to be pledging loyalty on a daily basis.  All that creates is situations wherein later they won't question authority, which allows those in power to get away with pretty much anything they want.
craziecookie on
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I agree. Kids should write their own pledges, and recite them whenever they want to.
Plus, most kids don't really understand the pledge anyway because they don't understand the vocabulary and the history behind the pledge.
It's just useless.
redwoodpecker on
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Well, like most propaganda, it doesn't matter if it makes sense, or if people understand, it just takes ridiculous amounts of repetition.
craziecookie on
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True..
writerjack on
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The great picture as ur icon is so smashingling delishes so cool

 
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