SUGABABI 06 says:“Jesus hung out with the pagans as he hung out with the Christians.”My reply: …And he was sent by Jehovih his father to earth, to save mankind and he “THE LORD” came and his name was Fragapatti … this happened 10,000 thousand years before the myth of Jesus. (Note the similarity between Jehovih and Jehovah from the Old Testament.)Jesus never existed his myth is a copy of a copy of a copy repeated throughout generations in many different eastern cultures, and I would like to site one of many books I have read about the subject. From:”THE JESUS MYSTERIES” by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy: “We have become convinced that the story of Jesus is not a biography of a historical Messiah, but a myth based on perennial Pagan stories, Christianity was not a new and unique revelation but actually a Jewish adaptation of the ancient Pagan Mystery Religions”The Jews plagiarized 90 percent of the Old Testament from sacred text from other cultures that were written hundreds and thousands of years before. It is a historical fact that the Jewish where not a highly cultured people, in comparison to other more advanced civilizations that lived and thrived at the same time. They lacked breadth of literature, music, painting and philosophy, preferring to stick to trade, traveling continuously around the Middle East adopting and adapting from other cultures. That’s the way the Old Testament come about, when they settle in the new occupied land of Canaan after conquering it. (By the way, I have Semitic ancestry, so don’t even go there with anti-Semitism.)So the New Testament, which was based in the Old Testament, came about during Constantine’s time. This was the time when the myth of Jesus was establish in a generalized way; although the origin of this myth began with the sect call Q, which settled in the north of what is now called the Holy Land, approximately 87 A.C. They created it for occultist reasons, but that is a whole other posting. (Could it possibly be that the all western civilization it is based on Jewish plagiarism?) But lets get back to the Jesus factor and the book I mentioned.“At the heart of the mysteries (Pagans) were myths concerning a dying and resurrecting goodman, who was known by many different names. In Egypt he was Osiris, in Greece Dionysus, in Asia Minor Attis, in Syria Adonis, in Italy Bachus, in Persia Mithras. Fundamentally all this godmen are the same mythical being … We were able to construct Jesus’ supposed biography from mythic motif previously relating to Osiris-Dionysus:# Osiris-Dionysus is God made flesh, the savior and “Son of God”# Osiris-Dionysus’ father is God And His mother is a mortal virgin.# Osiris-Dionysus is born in a cave or a humble cowshed on December 25 before three shepherds.# Osiris-Dionysus offers his followers the chance to be born again through the rites of baptism.# Osiris-Dionysus miraculously tursn water into wine at the marriage ceremony.# Osiris-Dionysus rides triumphantly into town on a donkey while people wave palm leaves to honor him.# Osiris-Dionysus dies at Easter time as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.# Osiris-Dionysus: After his death he descends to hell, and then on the third day he rises from the dead and ascends to heaven in glory.# Osiris-Dionysus’ followers await his return as the judge during the Last Days.# Osiris-Dionysus’ death and resurrection are celebrated by a ritual meal of bread and wine, which symbolize his body and blood”Now these are more than similarities with the “life” of Jesus. This is what was plagiarized. It was even more obvious after Constantine (350 A.C. to 400 A.C.) the time they really took up the task of inventing Jesus Christ for the masses.Then SUGABABI 06 said: “If we could be perfect by ourselves then why would we need God?”My reply” This is the point. W e do not need “him.” we only need to achieve Divine Anarchy. I truly appreciated your candor, and your willingness to question and try to establish an honest debate without recurring to name calling. However, I have studied religions (esoteric and exoteric, and occultism) all my life, and I want to expose to the public how we are immersed in lies and how destructive to humanity the whole sham is.Now the roots of the myth, “The goodman” story, is something that I will cover in the future. If you honored me with your visit, you’ll find out. Thank you.(The bible is an historical document but by not stretch of the imagination is historically accurate)Answering to Anonymous who said: “You have to take into account that not all people of a particular religion act the same way” My reply: Yes, I think they do proudly and unreservedly make visible their alliance to one religion or another, CREATING A POLARITY. They polarize themselves, putting themselves above the rest because they are followers of “THE TRUTH,” which other religions don’t hold (otherwise they would have chosen to be in a different religion.) Religions always discriminate: The treatment for someone “outside the faith” (pagan, gentile, infidel—especially when it comes to marriage!) is always different than the treatment of those who share that faith, hence the polarity. And, your next concern, you said: ”While I concur that religion is quite flawed and is used by some as a means of manipulation, you also have to see the beneficial effects of religions that are inherent in the value systems and laws imposed by many of them.”My reply: From my point of view there is absolutely nothing beneficial about the effects of religions and their inherent value systems. Since men have created them, they are from the start polluted by men’s EGOS. Further more religion was created by men using their rational brains (their left brains, the brain that gives you speech, the mathematical, geometrical brain the brain that is related to matter not the spirit) See JULIAN JAYNES-one of the 10 most important psychologist of our times--in his book “THE ORIGIN OF CONSCIOUSNESS IN THE BREAK-DOWN OF THE BICAMERAL MIND. He explains that men had, in the ancient past, the ability to use both brains the right and the left The right was used predominantly to be in contact with their “gods,” and in a much lesser way the left was used for menial everyday work. A primordial man that JULIAN JAYNES calls “the god run man.” This man did not need religion because he was connected to the source directly. This man, he states, loses the use of the right brain because of a cataclysm. Suddenly, this man finds himself disconnected from the source, and here is when man starts to write scriptures to catalog the ideas of the “gods” (see by Willis Barnstone “THE OTHER BIBLE” Ancient Alternative Scriptures and you will find here a chapter “The Hypostasis of the Archons” The Archons are also called the Rulers or the Watchers. These are the ones who ruled over men, and the ones who cut the connection and left men on earth limping with only the right brain working--the brain they wrote scriptures with to remember their “gods’ teaching.” But because of their nascent egos, this knowledge was polluted from the beginning and become more so up until today .See also chapter called The book of the Secrets of Enoch 1 and 2, and you’ll realize who these Rulers were and what kind of technology they had. And if you follow my page, I will try to give you a glimpse of way they did what they did. I will stop here because this gets too complicated to explain all at once, and I’d rather do it in increments. But suffice to say that the Watchers knew what they were doing and what was they were going to provoke with their departure: men with a limping brain that was going to produced a limping philosophy/religion, an imperfect understanding of the truth--like a car in the desert with the tires on one side deflated, so that it ends up going around in circles never going anywhere. That is what is call the OROBORUS that I have mentioned, The Wheel of IXION, the rational limping brain that LUCIFER supposedly started.We are in jail until we figure the way out.Then you said: “Oh, I hate to be a pain but you took "To be or not to be" out of context as it clearly refers to the question of suicide”My reply: I would like to respectfully disagree with you there too. I understand you are analyzing it in a literary context, like the general public erroneously does because they still think that Shakspere, or who is commonly known as Shakespeare, wrote it. But the real context is OCCULTIST linked with Rosicrucians, and the man behind “to be or not to be” is Sir Francis Bacon a ‘Mason’, (see ”MASONIC HERMETIC QABALISTIC & ROSICRUCIAN SYMBOLICAL PHILOSOPHY by MANLY P.HALL”) with a long lineage of knowledge that comes from the times of the Sumerians passing through the Egyptian Mysteries. So, “To be or no to be” is not what you think it is.Finally, you point out the following: “You also appear to be creating a label for yourself through your own preaching of "Divine Anarchy" which seems to somewhat contradict your post in a paradoxical kind of way”My reply: Yes, you are right, I have created a label but it is purely for demonstrative purpose, to work with your left brain, because if I demonstrated Divine Anarchy instead of creating the label, I will be creating a POLARITY, which I do not want to do. If you read carefully what Divine Anarchy is, you’ll conclude that there is no label to define it; there is no structure; there is not hierarchy; there is no preaching of any kind that can capture its wholeness. It goes against the very idea of Divine Anarchy. By the way I do really appreciated your comment. J.A.L DANARCHYST
 
   

 


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"They polarize themselves, putting themselves above the rest because they are followers of “THE TRUTH,” which other religions don’t hold"Alot of religions do, but Islam teaches Muslims not to consider themselves Superior or "Better" than any other based on their religion or anything else. Although Muslims do believe it is the truth, they feel all humans are equal and will judged equally by God at the end,regardless of religion.
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The problem with your defense to my previous statement about them acting that way, is that I know many people who are of a particular religion who do not conform to the stereotype and also will go at lengths not to be labeled of the religion in order to avoid some of the negative connotations associated with it. Most of them do not consider themselves above the rest either. Not to say that this is a majority, but it is definitely a large part of the population of these religions. I do not think the problem is inherent in the religion, I believe the problem lies with those who abuse it or use it as a means to justify their life because they have failed to do so themselves. In regards to your statement about the lack of beneficial effects of the value systems imposed by these religions, I would care to debate that point as there is a definite trend in the actions and lifestyles of those who follow these value systems compared to those who do not. This trend exhibits some of the finer qualities of people which are quite lacking in mainstream society nowadays. These people have common decency, character, integrity, and the ability to judge between right and wrong. This is not just beneficial from a moral or spiritual perspective but a psychological one as well. The phrase "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" has psychological merit as it deters people from doing things that would ultimately hurt them more than the one they are attempting to hurt. In this way, these are not forms of control, but rather safeguards against naturally destructive human impulses.
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"They lacked breadth of literature, music, painting and philosophy, preferring to stick to trade, traveling continuously around the Middle East adopting and adapting from other cultures."The Jews, historically, guarded their beliefs and are known to have been very careful NOT to be influenced by other cultures. They saw themselves as different people, and they strongly resisted pagan ideas and rituals.I don't know much about the historical dating of the Old Testament, and the documents that it supposedely "plagiarizes," but I do know some information about the dating of New Testament books. You're dating all of the New Testament to Constantine's time, in the 300's AD. The standard scholarly dating of the Gospels are in the first century. Even liberal circles agree that Mark was written in the 70's, Matthew and Luke in the 80's, and John in the 90's. Based on how the book of Acts ends, however (with Paul still alive), some believe that Mark and Luke can be dated 10-15 years earlier. If Christ was put to death in AD 30 or 33, then this would still be within the lifetime of people that would have seen him. Part of the reason these documents are so reliable is because they were written at a time when individuals could have come forward and said "No, I was there, this part didn't happen." Also, it is important to remember that almost all of Paul's letters contained in the Bible were written during the 50's.Historically, if we were to compare these to other biographies, you will see how reliable these documents are. Take Alexander the Great, for example. His earliest biographies were written more than 400 years after his death, but are considered trustworthy. The first 500 years after Alexander's death, the stories of his life remained trustworthy. It wasn't until the next 500 years that legend started to develop. So, regarding Jesus, the short amount of time between his death and the New Testament writings is certainly no time for a legend to arise -- especially when there were still eyewitnesses living!Also, outside of the New Testament there are two very reliable historical accounts of his life. These accounts are regarded as legitimate by historians. (The historians that wrote these accounts were Josephus and Tacitus, both regarded as important historians.)So basically, I see no reason to believe that Jesus's life is pure myth.
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Why bother remaining involved in a religion when you are going to "go to great lengths" to cloak it from the outside world? If a religion has negative connotations that one cannot bear being associated with, isnt everything else pretty much lip service? (enter Judas) Sounds pretty disingenuous to me. "In regards to your statement about the lack of beneficial effects of the value systems imposed by these religions, I would care to debate that point as there is a definite trend in the actions and lifestyles of those who follow these value systems compared to those who do not. This trend exhibits some of the finer qualities of people which are quite lacking in mainstream society nowadays"Why couldn't this be viewed the other way around? Could it not be true that these individuals are involved in a religion because they are "good" people who believe it is the "right" thing to do? America is the most 'religious' of the world's industrialized nations, and yet is the most violent nation in the worldLouisiana has the highest church attendance rate in America. It also has twice the national average for murders. In his book MEIN KAMPF Hitler wrote: "I am completely convinced that I am acting as the agent of God. I am now a Catholic and will always remain so." Hitler never left the church and the church never left him. Great books were banned by the church but MEIN KAMPF was never banned. Hitler was never excommunicated. Ok, Catholics are an easy target (ie, the sexual abuse scandal involving pedophiliac priests(!!!!)...they must have missed that "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" day in seminary.

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