In biblical understanding, leaven, which is the topic of the article below, has come to symbolize sin.  However, whether we’re Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, or a member of any other religion, all too often, we think we will have a relationship with God through the things we do or don’t do, the things we touch or don’t touch; the days and objects we hold holy.

 

            Such so-called “holy” actions, or “holy” objects, will never bring us into a relationship with God.  We can never know Him with the kind of religious observances that are outlined in the article below, no matter what religion it is.  In order to know Him, we must first be made holy, since He is holy.  And the only way that happens is when someone pays the price for our unholiness and dishonor of God.  This is what He did in the sacrifice of Himself.  It is then in that relationship that we make choices that honor Him, trying to always understand that our holiness is imparted, not earned.

 

            Below is an excerpt from an article from the Jerusalem Post, about leaven and the observance of Pessah.

 

“In an unprecedented initiative, numerous leading rabbinical arbiters have warned the public in signs posted in haredi neighborhoods that cigarettes and cigars ‘contain essences that are leaven [hametz] and that they should not be smoked during Pessah.

 

Rabbi Yosef Shalom Elyashiv, the leading Lithuanian rabbinical arbiter who lives in Jerusalem, signed an announcement that states: ‘Rabbi Elyashiv has told those who asked him that of course one must not smoke cigarettes during Pessah as long as they are suspected of having leaven. And this is besides the prohibition of smoking all year because of the dangers [to health].’

 

Rabbi Moshe Sternberg of the Eda Haredit said that he informed his congregants that they should not smoke cigarettes or cigars. But those who nevertheless do should be aware of the fact that ‘most cigarettes absolutely contain leaven, to which dozens of flavorings and aromas are added, besides the fact that tobacco is rinsed in alcohol.

 

‘Some of the essences come from wheat, and flour has been added,’ the rabbi declared.

 

Sternbuch said that there are those who observe strictures to keep cigarettes out of their homes completely during Pessah. He has seen stamps of ‘kashrut supervision’ on cigarettes, but he said it was impossible to accept this as tobacco products have hundreds of components, and it cannot be determined whether they are all free from leaven.”

 

            Here’s the link to the article:

 

      http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1208422633889&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

 

 
   

 


 
 
misterskank on
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"In order to know Him, we must first be made holy, since He is holy." So you have been "made holy," right, Jim, since you constantly say you "know" Him?
christianisrael on
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All followers of Jesus Christ have been holy through the shedding of His blood.  It is not something we attain.  It is imparted, as the article stated.
misterskank on
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I guess that makes you a holy man.
bonniegirl on
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it is imparted to all, but we have to aknowledge that it is so, and accept the free gift, or it is not given to us...we are not made holy automatically.
misterskank on
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I guess that makes Jim a holy man and you a holy woman, Bonnie.
bonniegirl on
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Holy, but not perfect.  He says "be ye holy as I am holy", but that is something we have to keep striving for.  I make many many mistakes, and am still a work in progress, but I do thank Him for his patience and grace.
christianisrael on
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No guessing necessary on this one.  All those who have entered into life with Jesus are saints--holy ones.
misterskank on
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Wow! You're not just holy, you're a saint!
christianisrael on
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Amen!
misterskank on
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His Holiness, Saint Jim. Okay by me.
bonniegirl on
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We just had a lesson on Wednesday on legalism vs true holiness.  The Lord seems to speak in topics for a while.

 

Thanks; I enjoyed this!

christianisrael on
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You're welcome, ma'am.
misterskank on
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Her Holiness, Saint Bonnie? Now I'm guessing you'd be embarrassed by such an attribution, unlike our friend Jim.
bonniegirl on
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You are soooooooo silly! I bet we would have a good time going 'round and 'round, MS!  But as you saw, I did not take your bait with the last  remark you made, so I won't now either....giggle!

But I am what I am, and if the word says I am a blood washed saint and that he has made me holy, then that is what i is....so there!   

By the way; you can be my 'holy' brother too, you know!  Wanna?
misterskank on
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If I ever saw "holy" people and "saints" coming to me, Bonnie, I'd run the other direction, I think, and if I never hear the words "Christ" or "Jesus" again it will be too soon, if you know what I mean. I prefer ordinary people like me, just bumbling along, mixed up, confused, making mistakes, trying and failing to be honest, quiet, kind, hardworking, happy with the little ordinary things, love, family, kids, nature, sky, rain, sun, moon, stars, birds, flowers, friendship, laughter, play, forgiveness, hugs, rest, sleep, dream. Your faith has a lighter touch than some, Bonnie, who sound so solemn, ponderous, doctrinal, always sermonizing. Jesus! Spare me, please! I like children before (!) they've memorized the stern, stony creeds, you know?
bonniegirl on
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First of all, I think I shall take your words as a compliment.  And secondly, what I was trying to say to you is, that I am very very ordinary.  That is the great thing about it.  I am ordinary.  He is the one who is extraordinary and has just cleaned me up....not once and for all, but he does so each day, as I 'bumble'...and want to curse someone, be with someone who is not my husband who turns me on, or whatever.  If he were not so gracious, I would have been stoned along with the best of them long ago....

So, I am just like you, but soooooooo glad that I am not alone....that's all! 
misterskank on
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I received the blessing of both Jesus and Buddha thirty-three years ago, Bonnie, and their spirit and presence remain with me and inspire me still every day! Be grateful, they said, forgive, don't worry, be happy.
bonniegirl on
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Tee hee; you sure are a card, but you will have to be serious, eventually.  I am glad you are blessed; if you are anything like me (at all, lol) you need every blessing you can get.  I don't have any problem with Buddha, except that he died and is still dead, so cannot bless anyone any more, whereas Christ died but rose again, and is still in the blessign business!
misterskank on
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Yes, Buddha was just a man, thank god, like me, but his spirit was present with the spirit of Jesus on that amazing day in my life. I hear that the body of Jesus, as well as his spirit, is alive, but it's been missing in action for about 2000 years. As for the blessings of the dead, I thought you'd believe that your dead friends and family could and do bless you long after their bodies are dust. No? Mine do. Their blessings go on and on.
misterskank on
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You laugh, Bonnie, but I'm not joking; but it's okay, I sometimes laugh when you and CI describe your ecstatic experiences of god, too. They're subjective, like mine, and cannot be given to another. They can sound egoistic or just plain silly. Poor Buddha, he had the misfortune to be born live and teach peace and love and mercy before the one and only Christ and thus, according to Christian doctrine, cannot experience the incomparable blessings of Christ and His Heavenly Father. Such a strange, irrational creed, such an odd god!

bonniegirl on
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I was not laughing at you for what you are asking; I just laugh 'cause I thought you were just being sarcastic! So sorry, if I was not supposed to take it as a joke!

But anyway; what I wanted to say was that I do not believe the dead can do anything for us when they are gone. I am not an ancestral worshiper.  Their bodies await the catching away of the saints when the Lord comes to get us all.  Until then, their spirits are in a resting place, such as paradise, but they cannot do anything for those back here. 

Here is the story of the rich man and Lazarus and what happened to them.  I do not believe this was a parable but a true story.  Those in hell may be able to see the other side, as part of their torment, but will not be able to communicate either, and those in paradise will not be able to do anything.

"There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day; and there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table; moreover, the dogs came and licked his sores.

"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died, and was buried: and in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried, and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and thou art tormented. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed; so that they which would pass from hence to you, cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

"Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham; but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." --Luke 16:19-31.

 

misterskank on
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Sorry, Bonnie, no interest in any of that.
bonniegirl on
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Was just answering your question about the dead helping us on this side.  If you don't read it, don't ask next time; but no offense taken.  Thank God I just cut and paste those scriptures and did not go to all the trouble of typing it all!
misterskank on
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Amen! : )

 
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