One of young leaders of the group that we’re getting together with told me about a tragic incident that had happened in his ministry in the last year.  He had prayed for a young man, and he had been overwhelmed by the Holy Spirit and collapsed.  It wasn’t long, however, before this same young man had murdered his father.  He then told me about another young man whose life had gone south not long after he’d prayed for him and the Holy Spirit had ministered powerfully.

 

            What was wrong, he wondered.

 

            So this is what I told this sincere, young man.  What happened in the lives of these two young people was just simply an awful tragedy.  The only relationship between his prayers and the falling away of these two guys was that our adversary came along and took advantage of their weaknesses. 

 

            I remember in my early days that when the pastor would give an invitation for folks to come forward to be ministered to, many of the same people came forward, week after week.  It wasn’t long before I realized that, too many times, we—I should say, we Pentecostals and Charismatics—expect God to “fix” us rather than seeing the need to work through our issues with the help of the Holy Spirit and the godly counsel and prayers of folks in our local assembly.  To sum up, the conclusion I came to was this: the touch/gifting/ministry of the Holy Spirit is no substitute for experience and—to put it bluntly—the dying to ourselves we must do as we follow Jesus.  I have seen far too many Pentecostals/Charismatics who are gifted and have had remarkable encounters with God but are disobedient and immature.

 

            May the Lord cause us to love Him more than we love ourselves, so we may walk in the obedience He requires.

 

           

 
   

 


 
 
misterskank on
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A young man in my class quarreled with another student, a woman, who belonged to the same church. They were talking about two or three women who had fainted during service the previous Sunday. The female student insisted it was the "holy spirit," but the young man insisted it was emotional and psychological only, since the same women fainted like clockwork every Sunday. All such stories are quite amusing to a skeptic like me, though of course there's nothing funny about the tragedies you cite. It is interesting, though, that after the prayers and holy spirit and ministering and religious extasies even the believers sometimes turn to psychologists, psychiatrists, and pharmacists and in the last resort even call the cops. "Thank the Lord, but take your daily pill."
christianisrael on
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There are things that happen by virtue of the work of the Holy Spirit that are real.  Other incidents that happen are, well, worthy of suspicion.  The church is filled with imperfect people with all kinds of weaknesses, issues and problems--just like the rest of the world outside the church doors.  The only difference between those inside and those outside is that the ones inside have the forgiveness and regenerating ability of a loving God.  Christians may be saved and born again, but they are in process.
misterskank on
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I experienced the holy spirit; I know it personally. I felt it, heard it, saw it, lived it for one full year. I don't need your narrow and somewhat inaccurate description and explanation of it. You are utterly wrong about the forgiveness and regeneration existing only where you claim. Utterly wrong!
christianisrael on
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Feeling a bit grumpy this morning?
misterskank on
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No, not at all. You?
christianisrael on
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I'm always cranky, Bill! 
misterskank on
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I'm Bob. Who's Bill?
christianisrael on
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Oops! Sorry, Bob!  Yikes.
misterskank on
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I posted some student comments on their just completed college class in academic discourse, critical thinking, and English composition, Jim.
bonniegirl on
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I agree that sometimes deep teaching of the word is neglected and people tend to wish to live on the hype of feeling that an experience of speaking in tongues has on us. The Holy Spirit is needed in our lives to give us power to become overcomers, but if we do not study the word in order to know God's will in our lives, and consistently seek his face on  daily basis, we become spiritually handicapped and stay shallow.  Yes, he said "in the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the word was God".  The word is our daily bread just as an infant needs his milk.  Without it we will eventually die.  Feeling the wonderful sensation that the Holy Spirit is good, but we need a balance of word and power.

 

I enjoyed your thoughts here; thanks for sharing with us, sir.

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You're welcome! 

 
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