Every once in a while, I think I'll dig out something old and post it here, just because it's worth posting.

 

The missive below is an email I sent to a former online correspondent - a Christian working in the Pentagon who took issue with my atheistic writings.  We exchanged many emails over the course of about two and a half months, back in late 1998 to early '99, and often would stray outside the realm of our religious discussion.

 

In 1998, I was working for Thiokol in Utah, a temp position that ended just prior to Xmas.  Since I was looking to get out of that state, I figured I might as well go job hunting somewhere else.  I'd been drawn to the Seattle area for a while, so I made plans to go up there for a week, for the purpose of job and apartment hunting.

 

The email reprinted below is my account of my trip there, interjected with bits of current commentary.  A memorable trip, to say the least.

 

 

I arrived in Seattle around 9:30, Saturday night [Dec. 26, 1998].  It was raining.  I appropriated my rental car and, armed with insufficiently detailed maps, attempted to take a shortcut to Auburn, where I'd booked a motel room.  (It was the cheapest I could find, a requirement of my limited budget.)


My shortcut... wasn't.  I have no idea where I drove, but eventually I found a major thoroughfare to get me to Auburn.  Auburn, by the way, was the home town of Dick Scobee, the commander of Challenger's last ride.


I found the motel, arriving there in the neighborhood of eleven P.M.  And within minutes, I wished I'd spent the extra bucks for something a little nicer. 


The first thing I encountered was the "kitchenette."  This was comprised of a big porcelain sink that had seen better days, a range top with two electric burners that looked as though they might spontaneously burst into electrical mayhem (and one of which was semi-depressed into the range top so as to only partially touch any pan placed upon it), and a refrigerator (under the range!) that, I would find, was cold enough to partially freeze a Dr Pepper, but warm enough to keep a pint of Ben & Jerry's ice cream in a state of partial liquidity.
        

Entering the bedroom area, I flipped on the light switch.  A warm glow erupted from a lamp on the wall.  This was a gold-tone, art deco monstrosity right out of the early 70s.  U-G-L-Y.  And it didn't throw enough light to read by even if it weren't the whole way across the room from the bed.  I noticed, however, a large lamp on the desk next to the bed.  This, of course, had loose wiring in the socket, so it would abruptly shut off at the most annoying moments.  All was not lost, however.  There was yet another light:  a naked bulb on the wall just above the head of the bed.  This was sufficient for reading, but only if I was on the bed.  If I wanted to read, say, a phone book while at the phone across the room, I was pretty much outta luck.
        

Oh, and the phone was not set up to allow outside calls without a calling card, or collect.  Even local ones.  [Obviously, this was before I obtained a cell phone.] And the TV had no remote, and certainly nothing beyond basic cable.


Then we have the bathroom.  A spot on the floor right in front of the sink was depressed, making me think that I might fall through at any moment.  I stepped over this spot whenever I was awake enough to remember.  The shower stall was tiny!  I had barely enough room to raise my arms to wash my hair.  And it wasn't recessed, either...  If I would walk straight into the bathroom without veering right, I'd smack into the wall for the shower.  This also meant that, without thinking about it, I could turn away from the toilet and also smack into the wall for the shower.  That tends to wake you up at 3 A.M., lemme tell ya.
        

On the plus side, the water there was very soft.  I had to use very little conditioner to keep my [then] long hair from being a tangled mess.
        

Okay, so that's the motel.
        

The following day, Sunday, I drove around to explore some neighborhoods.  It was raining again.  It's not exactly easy to "explore" while on unfamiliar roads in the rain.  And these roads were bizarre.  I know it's not unique to Washington state, but I'd never experienced this before:  many of the roads didn't have lines painted on them.  In place of lines, they had dots.  Raised dots, made of hard plastic or something.  Not dots on top of lines.  Just dots.  They mimicked the lines, so if it was a passing zone, you'd have a strip of half a dozen dots, then space, then another half dozen dots.  It was kind of bizarre, but neat, too, since if you strayed over too far and hit the dots, you'd get a rumbling noise that would remind you to get yer butt back over to your own side of the highway.
        

Anyway, I checked out some neighborhoods, like Kent and Renton.  Since I had an appointment the following day in Bellevue, I zipped up there to make sure I knew where I was going.  I looked at some apartment communities, finding some I liked, others I didn't.
        

I returned to the motel with Taco Bell in hand for lunch.  While I was inside eating, it stopped raining.  When I went out again, it started up again.
        

My appointment Monday morning was with a staffing service.  Yippee.  It was a lovely morning, sunny and pretty.  By the time I left the office, it was raining again.
        

The rest of my day was spent looking at more apartments.

On Tuesday, I had no appointments, so I spent the day making a couple.  Many places were unable to accommodate me during the time I was there.  It was then that I began to seriously acknowledge that I'd chosen a really stupid week to go job hunting in another city.  It was a short week, too, Friday being New Year's Day.  And some places, like the temp agency that specializes in high-paying positions, were closed all week.
        

At any rate, it didn't rain Tuesday, so I decided to make the best of my evening by going out.  I don't recall now what I did, but it wasn't much fun, I can guarantee that.

On Wednesday, I had two appointments.  The first was right in Seattle itself, so it was my first time in the actual city.  This was with an environmental company.  I received an email from them today [Jan. 15, 1999] saying that they've decided to put off hiring for that position until April, but would like to talk with me then, since they were impressed with me.  [They never called.]
        

Having some time before my afternoon meeting, I went to the Space Needle.  It was pretty cool, but I couldn't help but make the comparison to being atop the Empire State Building in NYC, and there is no comparison.  It wasn't raining, but it was hazy, so I wasn't able to see much. 
        

The afternoon meeting was another agency, but not a temp agency.  Don't ask me what they are.  I'm not sure.  Had a long chat with a frightening woman named Tanya, who said she didn't have anything right now that was quite up my alley, but she'd be in touch.  Yeah, right.  [And she never called, either.]
        

Returned to Auburn and went out that night to the "Supermall."  I wasn't sure what to expect, being used to the mall in King of Prussia, PA (which, the last time I was there, had something like 365 stores).  At any rate, the "Supermall" fell far short of that.  But while it didn't have all that many stores, some of the ones it did have were fairly cool.  Especially a bookstore called, of all things, "Foozles."
        

Foozles didn't have the variety of, say, Barnes & Noble or Borders.  But what it lacked in selection, it more than made up for in price.  I bought four books, with a total cover price of about $75.00, and paid under $25.00 for them, including tax.  Astounding!
        

Have I mentioned that the walls in the motel were paper thin?  No?  Well, I discovered this upon returning, when the couple next door had sex and I heard every bump and grind.  I wouldn't have cared so much if I hadn't been trying to sleep at the time...
        
Thursday was spent mostly inside, waiting for calls that never came.  Pity, since it was another nice, rainless day.  Went to Foozles again that night.  Four more books.  Cover price, $80, still under $25 with tax. 
        

The neighbors next door didn't have sex this night, but they did have a fight.  I got the general impression that the guy was a real jerk and that his female companion (despite the previous evening's activities) should take a hike and leave the loser.

Friday, New Year's day.  No rain again.  Boring day.  Went to the mall again, but didn't buy anything.  Oh, I might point out that I drank more coffee during this week than I would in a typical year.  [At least, back then.  Not today.]  The 7-11 next to the motel even had a machine that would make real lattes!  Not the "instant" ones most machines provide, but actual lattes, with the bottles of flavored syrup sitting next to it!  Way cool!
        

Another fight next door.  Worse than the previous one.  Lots of name calling and the woman complaining about not getting enough sex.  Geez, lady!  It's only been two days!

Saturday.  No rain.  Drove around some more, but that was about it.  Checked out Tacoma and Federal Way.  Tacoma, or at least the area I was in (along the waterfront), was lovely.  Packed my stuff upon returning.
        

I was relieved that the neighbors seemed to be out for the evening.  I was looking forward to a good night's sleep, since I had to get up early to take the rental car back and go to the airport.
        

However, I couldn't sleep.  Maybe it was the anticipation of going home.  Maybe it was the fact that my back hurt.  More likely it was all the sugar I'd consumed that day.  But I tossed and turned from eleven P.M. to 1:30.
        

Then the neighbors came home and boy, what a fight was going on!  This was serious nastiness.  I won't even begin to repeat some of the language I heard, from both of them.
        

The following two and a half hours were pretty interesting, in a morbid way.  I learned that it was the guy's birthday.  He'd turned 29 that day.  I also learned that he'd evidently been in jail for something or other (no surprise to me) and that this woman was actually his wife.
        

(Interesting side note... while flipping through channels on TV the other day, I came upon the Jerry Springer show.  There were these two guys on the show that could have been my motel neighbor's brothers!  Scary!  But that gives you an idea of what kind of guy this was.)

 

I also learned that the sex I'd overheard a few nights before hadn't been between him and his wife!  She accused him of having sex with someone there.  He denied it.  Then she says that she found some soiled underwear under the bed... underwear that matched the bra he'd recently given her!
        

I almost burst out laughing.  This idiot has a tramp in, she leaves her underwear behind, he finds the bra and gives it to his wife as a gift!!!  Unreal!


So does he 'fess up at this point?  No.  He says... get this... that the underwear are his!


This, of course, causes her to call him a pervert, etc...  [Note that I mentioned the underwear were "soiled."]  Oh, it just went on and on.  I can't even remember the stuff I heard, now.  My final analysis was that these were two people who either deserved each other, or shouldn't be allowed in the same state at the same time.  He was a lying butthead to the extreme, but she was a whining, spineless airhead.
        

At four o'clock, I finally had enough.  I threw my stuff in the car and headed to Denny's for breakfast. 
        

Why didn't I either bang on the wall, notify management, or call the cops?  Management wouldn't have done anything, and the other two options might have gotten this dude to get violent, and I didn't need that, thanks very much.
        

So I dined at Denny's, checked out of the motel at seven, and was on my way home.  Sleepless from Seattle.

 

 
   

 


 
 
onewalrus on
Re: Sleepless From Seattle

Cardigan,

 

Did you know that

If your blogs are

"HIDDEN", "PRIVATE"  or "DELETED" or you end your membership,

they are owned 100% by Mindsay to do with what they wish!

And the same holds true for any blog-site!

See the small type at the bottom of this page which says "Terms of Service"

By using any blog-site you agree to these terms.

 

I suggest you read my latest entry if this is a concern to you

Pablo

masivemaple on
Re: Sleepless From Seattle
This is not correct. The portion of the TOS you are referring to is:

 

This license exists only for as long as the content remains published on your MindSay site and only for as long you remain a MindSay member. In the event that you remove the content from your public MindSay blog (e.g., by deleting it or marking it "private" or "hidden") or in the event that your membership is terminated, this license shall expire (either immediately or upon termination of any promotional or marketing activities ongoing at the time).

 

The license that expires in this case is MindSay's license to use and reproduce portions of your blog in, for example, the Top Blogs, or for promoting MindSay in general. You still own any copyright you had to begin with.

onewalrus on
Re: Sleepless From Seattle
Masivemaple,

   However, when the temporary license lapses for any of those reasons, so do Mindsays waivers on it's limitations of content usage.  The last paragraph in XIII is only refering to the temporary license limitations, not the entirety of the TOS. Sole-purpose and waivers on content usage are released at the point of deletion, privatization, hidding or termination.

Pablo

masivemaple on
Re: Sleepless From Seattle
MindSay's usage depends on its having a licence--you still hold the copyright (assuming it's your stuff to begin with). If the license ceases to exist, the limitations or lack of such on it on it are irrelevant. No license, no usage--limited, unlimited, or anything else.

 

There are perfectly good reasons for not posting stuff you don't want stolen on a blog, but MindSay's TOS isn't one of them.

onewalrus on
Re: Sleepless From Seattle
Masivemaple,

     The thrust and focus of the entry this is based upon concerns the ranate and tangential associations of TOS's as a whole. In reality the blog community is akin to a playground full of potential dangers with no one watching over things. Would you take your own, or someone else's children there and drop them off, signing an agreement without reading it?

     Mindsay, and all blogs state in their TOS's that they do not monitor content or activity. This individual bofun6636 and his accomplice ridemebareback were stalking young women between the ages of 12-25 with invitations to his masturbatingliveforyou.com site hosted by Yahoo Web Services. Neither Mindsay or Yahoo are required, or felt compelled to take initiate action until provoked to do so.

     Ultimately, the interpretations of TOS's becomes incidental, taking a back seat to the more serious consequences of entering into an unread contract. Someone has to be willing to be the "sqeaky-wheel".

Pablo

cardigan on
Re: Sleepless From Seattle
Neither MindSay nor Yahoo! should be required to do much in these cases.  It is impractical in the extreme for a host site to monitor the goings-on of however many blogs are hosted there (not to mention every entry of every blog).  But even aside from that, why should they be expected to?  The world is a dangerous place, and the 'net is no different. 

 

Is there some actual harm that's going to be inflicted upon these young women if they go to this sex site?  Not unless it downloads a virus to their computers, really.  So a 12 year old sees pictures of someone masturbating?  What 12-year old these days doesn't know what masturbation is?  So what's the big deal? 

 

As for the TOS, so what if they do claim to retain the rights to anyone's blog entries?  If I take my blog off of MindSay and repost it all on my own domain, do you honestly think MindSay is going to sue me?  I'll take my chances.

 

For what it's worth, I have personally challenged a similar TOS in the past, and won the rights to my material.  (With About.com, no less.)  No big deal.

onewalrus on
Re: Sleepless From Seattle
Yes, I failed to address that point and agree with you. It is beyond, and not a responsibility of any company to monitor. They would go bankrupt if they were liable to do so!

Your point of actual harm falls back to my highlighting "otherwise objectionable". What is harmful is subjective, and not for you or I to define. The point is not the knowledge or practice of masturbation or any other sexual act. My issue is the objective issue of limitations. In infer from your argument that prior knowledge serves as permission. If so, where would you draw the line? Bestiality? Snuffing? Furthermore, I must strongly differ with you that a computer virus takes precedence; saying that it is  of more pressing importance than confining the practices of an adult performing live onanistic shows for minors. I would be led to assume that you have no children.

Pablo

cardigan on
Re: Sleepless From Seattle
I didn't say the computer virus takes precedence.  I only mentioned it as an example of legitimate, demonstrable harm.  The other type of harm you're asserting is subjective and not easily demonstrable.

 

Where to draw the line is always the question, isn't it?  With everything.  Bestiality?  What, so an "Ewww" reaction is "harmful"?  Snuffing?  Kids watch thousands of faked deaths on TV and in movies.  A real one is much less gruesome, most of the time, than what Hollywood shows.  Do you really think the knowledge that it's a real death will make that much of a difference?  Hell, maybe seeing a real death or two might make kids realize that watching faked deaths isn't so cool, and there would cease to be such demand for senseless violence in the media.

 

You have a problem with kids going to such sites, put blocking software on your computer.  Or better yet, educate your kids so that such sites are either not appealing to them or no big deal.  We live in such a sex negative culture... that's WHY sex sites are so popular.  We demonize sexuality, talk about "dirty" pictures, etc.  Give me a break.

onewalrus on
Re: Sleepless From Seattle
Ok, our heuristics here on this matter may be reaching their limits. I would never profess to be expert in any of these issues, but the conversation/correspondence enriches my consideration of them. It is unavoidable the exposure to violence in the media, but do we need to be inured to it and other unpleasantries?  There where interesting comments following 9/11 from citizens of war-ravaged countries, essentially calling us cry-babies and being over-reactive.

Sexual demonization? You didn't say whether you have children, but I'm guessing you don't, and if not is a barrier to my appealing to parental responsibilities. As a parent you strive to protect the safety and innocence of your children. Part of that protection does come from education, but its' predecessor and foundation is nuturing. A healthy parent will not demonize sex, they will nuture and educade. Really, the last thing the father of a 12-year-old wants is for his daughter to be drawn into a preoccupation or obsession with sex when the world is so richly full of other things lofty, fullfilling and productive. We don't want our daughters pregnant at 14!

You coincidentally mention blocking software. My current exploration deals with software collusion vis a vis Claria (formerly Gator) and Symantec, both the creations of one Denis Coleman. I should be posting that in the next few days and would invite your discussion if you find it worthy of your time and most appreciated cogitation.

Pablo

 

cardigan on
Re: Sleepless From Seattle
I have my own opinions of blocking software, in that (at least, in the past) many of them are ridiculously restrictive.  Default settings on some would, for example, prevent access to websites such as Planned Parenthood or the National Organization for Women.  I find it to be reprehensible that these sites should specifically be targeted for blocking.  Beyond that, I know little about the software, nor do I much care.

 

If a father of a 12-year old doesn't want his little girl to be "drawn into a preoccupation or obsession with sex," then the only sensible thing to do is to let her know that sex is natural, nothing to be ashamed of, not "dirty" in any way, or something that she's forbidden to engage in until a certain age.  I dare you to find me one 12-year old girl who hasn't discovered that pressure on her clitoris feels good.  Let's be real, here.  Sexual maturity is not determined by an arbitrary number at which society considers them to be "adults."  So it's ridiculous to regard an early teen, for example, as being no different than a five-year old.  Puberty doesn't care about what society considers to be "minors."

 

Our TV shows (and hell, our commercials) flaunt sex, sex, sex... while at the same time, our prudish censors prohibit any sort of nudity.  Mixed messages!  In Europe, where they think nothing of showing a naked breast on television, do they have the rampant sex obsession that we have in the U.S.?  Not that I'm aware of.

 

Most kids, when told they can't have something, are more drawn to it than they otherwise would be.  This is part of the reason why minors sneak beers from dad's fridge, or do drugs, or smoke cigarettes, or shoplift copies of Playboy.  The forbidden fruit, you see.  Toss in a healthy dose of peer pressure, and you've got a recipe for trouble.

 

You're absolutely right about nurturing and education.  It can prevent the above scenarios.  So if you've nurtured and educated your children, you shouldn't have many worries about them being lured to "dirty" websites.

 

You're correct:  I don't have children.  But I'd like to think that if I did, I wouldn't suddenly develop selective amnesia based on over-protectiveness.  I swear, most of the parents out there seem to pretend they never were 12-year old kids with natural, healthy curiosities about their own sexuality.

onewalrus on
Re: Sleepless From Seattle
In short, the main reason firewalls and blocking software are necessary is because the same software developers created the stuff you want to block!

Some of the actions of parents are chemical and emotional. Rationale doesn't fit into every equation.

Yes, I have always considered the arbitrary classification of people, children and adults, a function of the society machine. Everyone progresses at different rates intellectually, emotionally and physically. I'm nealy 50, feel like I'm 25 and live like I'm 80! (But that's another story!)

Pablo

masivemaple on
Re: Sleepless From Seattle
Oh, I'll agree that everyone should know what they're getting into before they get into it. But then I also consider these sites the high-tech equivalent of posting notes on a public wall--if somebody wouldn't post it there, they shouldn't post it here.
perversedmind on
Re: Sleepless From Seattle
Thank you!  So far my day has gotten worse and worse, beginning with finding out the Financial Aid deadline for Cornell (my #1 school) has passed without my knowledge, leading into learning that my cousin is saying her final goodbyes to our family with marriage (she has changed since she met her now-finance), and ending with just overall feelings of stupidity.  Your letter cheered me; it always enriches my spirit to read humerous and well-written pieces.  Thank you, sweetie.
cardigan on
Re: Sleepless From Seattle
I wanted to go to Cornell, too.  But that was back when I wanted to be an astronomer, and Sagan was still teaching there.  Sorry to hear about your cousin, kiddo.  People do weird things where marriage is involved.  Glad I could cheer you up, though!

 
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