A few things have led me to today’s post, as if divine intervention were pushing me on.

First, I wanted to start including excerpts from some of my books into this blog, so you could get a feel for how I write literature, not just Web journals.

Second, I previously wrote a post about the use of different dialogue techniques like stopping the conversation to describe action and using imagery to describe how a character is feeling.  The following excerpt includes many of the techniques I outlined, which is unique to my writing because normally I like the dialogue to zip along at a fast pace without a lot of stoppage, but this passage uses a lot of imagery for a specific reason.

Third, the New York Times just did a story on the relationship between science and faith.  The main crux of the story was:

“Prayers offered by strangers had no effect on the recovery of people who were undergoing heart surgery, a large and long-awaited study has found.  And patients who knew they were being prayed for had a higher rate of post-operative complications like abnormal heart rhythms, perhaps because of the expectations the prayers created, the researchers suggested.”

My book Angel of Life is mostly a suspense-thriller with either lots of tension or lots of action forcing the reader to keep turning the page, but the work also deals a lot with organized religion; its perceptions and the truths behind them.  Parts of my book create their own reality for religion, like when I describe how fate works and what it is used for.  But other parts just pose theories or ask questions.  Sometimes, people (either with similar or conflicting beliefs) have conversations as a way to float ideas out there.  What they say in these conversations is simply their opinions based on where they are in their lives at that moment.  A perfect example of this can be found in last night's episode of The Sopranos in which Tony Soprano has a conversation with a pastor who believes that Earth is only 6,000 years old, and that dinosaurs and humans lived together, a la The Flintstones.  Of course, he doesn't bother to explain where the dinosaurs are now, because he doesn't have to, because the Bible doesn't touch on it. 

This idea is a recurring theme in my book.  Religious followers believe what they are taught because, "There is no way of knowing what happened, so we must rely on the Bible to tell us."  Well, yes, there is no way of knowing, so doesn't that tell us that we should try to find ways of knowing, instead of just blindly believing what we are taught?  If you were to write a thesis in graduate school, you would need to cite a lot more than one source.  So why does out desire for proof not apply to the Bible?  Why should we not seek out more sources to cite?

And when Tony Soprano tells the pastor about a scientist in the other room who might disagree with the 6,000-year-old Earth theory, the Paster informs Tony that this scientist is going to burn in Hell.  Not only does he blindly follow what he is told, but he condemns anyone who doesn't do the same.

Despite what might be implied based on what I just wrote, Angel of Life is not about bashing God or His believers.  One of the recurring themes, however, involves possible logical reasons for not believing the teachings of an organized religion.  For instance, the truth behind the aforementioned study: that prayer actually hurt the heart-surgery patients because it gave them added expectations.  This would be a logical conclusion for someone who didn’t believe in God: “Well, obviously prayer can’t help you, since there isn’t really anyone or anything listening to those prayers, so if you tell someone they’ll be cured because of prayer, you give them false hope.”

I didn’t want to start with too extreme an example of what I mean, however, so below is an excerpt of a flashback to a conversation between the main character before he died and went to Hell and a former priest while he was still a man of the cloth.  Both are young and naive, with seriously flawed logic, and both are trying to find their true beliefs.

This passage is probably the most derivative, clichéd moment in my typically inventive story, and the majority of the book has a much faster, less descriptive pace, but I'm including this section now because it is a subtle lead-in to the elements I have described, and well, because it's fairly short, and you don't need to have any further knowledge of the plot or characters.   If you'd be willing to dish it, I would love your take on how the dialogue flows and how I use action to break up the long speeches, as well as the main character’s thoughts on Catholicism:


    We were eating hamburgers when I blurted out, “So I think I’m going to burn in Hell.”
    “Why do you say that?” Father Mitchell asked, folding his napkin into a neat triangle and placing it on the table before studying me with bright, inviting blue eyes.
    “Well,” I began as straight-faced as I could muster, “my next door neighbor’s wife is really hot, and sometimes I find myself coveting her.”
    Father Mitchell lowered his eyelids, causing a dark shadow to pass over his bright eyes.
    “Okay, okay,” I said, trying to fight back a chuckle.  “But I have a real question for you.”
    “And hopefully I have a real answer."
    “We’ll see,” I said.  I took a deep breath, as if what I was about to say was difficult to talk about.  Then, I let it all out.  “Yesterday I got into an argument with my mom.  A real hardcore screaming match.  And then I muttered ‘bitch’ under my breath.  Does that mean I’m gonna burn in Hell?” I asked with a sarcastic tone.  “Because according to your commandments, I have to honor my mother and father.  I certainly didn’t do that last night.”
    Father Mitchell smiled as I continued.  “But come on, pops.  Name me one person in all of history who didn’t yell at their parents.  Does that mean 99.9% of the people that ever lived are in Hell, and like .01% actually make it to Heaven?”
    Father Mitchell let a slight laugh escape his smile.  “They didn’t teach me this in the seminary, but frankly, some people take the Bible too literally.  You’ll never hear another priest say this, but the Bible isn’t the word of God.  It’s the word of God who passed the word to someone who passed the word to someone else who passed the word to yet another someone who eventually thought to write it down.  It was then translated thousands of times and turned into the version you don’t read when you don’t attend church.”
    “Oh, low blow,” I informed him, my palms waving in the air in a fake sign of surrender.
    “Did you ever play Whisper Down the Lane in school?”  Without waiting for an answer, he said, “A phrase may have started out as, ‘Mrs. Kramer went to the Sears Tower when she visited Chicago,’ but by the time it gets to the end of the chain it has become, ‘John F. Kennedy was abducted by little purple aliens and turned into a cyborg that made excellent alien cappuccino.”
    He said this as I took a sip of Coke, and his comment caused me to chortle, forcing the soda up into my nose.  I choked on the carbonation and sputtered sharp coughs.  His mouth straightened and he looked at me expectantly.
    “I’m good, I’m good,” I said with huffed speech as I pounded my chest with my fist.  “Continue.”
    “You sure?”
    “Uh huh.”
    He paused.  As I continued to cough I rolled my hands, one over the other, as if to say, “Come on, get on with it already.”
    He shrugged slightly, took a quick intake of breath, and said, “The same Whisper Down the Lane principle occurred with the Bible.  Plus, if you’ve ever translated something into another language, you know the transformation of phrases is not always identical.  Words and meanings become misconstrued.”
     At this, my coughing fit subsided.  I leaned in close.  “So you’re saying…”
    “That the Bible is no longer the true word of God.  And regardless, His words were not meant to be taken literally.  It is symbolism.  The stories are metaphors.  They don’t mean God literally went POOF and there was Adam and then POOF, there was Eve.”
    “Yeah, that would make us all inbred,” I interjected.
    “You’re a little brat, you know that?”
    “So I’ve heard.”  I popped a French fry into my mouth and as it crunched under the weight of my teeth I said, “but think about it; if we all came from Adam and Eve.”  I paused.  “Actually, strike that, since everybody but Noah and his wife was supposedly wiped out in the big flood, then if we all come from Noah and his wife, we are all inbred.  You,” I pointed at him, “me,” I tapped my chest with my pointer finger,” that crazy dude with the shit in his beard who talks to himself on the corner,” I waved my hand as if referring to something way off in the distance, “we’re all related.”
    “You’re going off on a tangent,” Father Mitchell said, slapping his hand on the table as if he thought that would make me subside.
    “But it’s a good one.”  I pointed a French fry at him to emphasize that point.  “Has anyone bothered doing the math?”  I shoved the fry in my mouth.  “How many people currently live on this planet?  Six billion?”  I chewed like a cow as I spoke.  “What year did the flood happen?  2400 B.C.?  I want some mathematician to determine whether it is scientifically possible for six billion people to exist if the entire population started with just Noah and his wife in 2400 B.C.”  
    “Stop,” Father Mitchell said, his voice calm and collected, yet loud and authoritative.  The tone silenced me instantly.  I swallowed my French fry and grimaced as it spiraled down my throat.  
    “My point,” he continued, “is not whether you and I are actually distant relatives or whether math and religion can coexist within your flawed interpretation of a Bible story.  My point is that yelling at your mom is not going to land you in Hell.  Listen.”  He put his palms together and intertwined his fingers.  “In the Book of Isaiah, Cyrus, the Persian king, does not know God’s name and does not practice Judaism, but he shows a respect for different religions.  Even though he does not follow God’s precise teachings, God embraces him, and even calls him messiah, or, the anointed one.  By doing this, God is trying to show a tolerance for people who share His moral vision, no matter their nationality or faith.”
    “But you just told me not to take the Bible literally, and I proved to you why that’s probably a good tactic to take.”
    The thin lines in Father Mitchell’s faced drooped, displaying their displeasure with me.  “Listen to the message.”  He said it again for emphasis, “the message.  The Book of Isaiah is trying to teach us that strict adherence to the Bible is not necessary to live a fulfilling life.  Just try to be a decent person.  Try to lead a good life.  Donate to charity when you can.  Help an old lady cross the street every once in a while.  And let a brilliant priest have your last French fry when he’s hungry.”
    He snatched a fry off my plate with lightning speed.          
    I never really believed anything anyone told me, but for some reason I believed what he said.  You don’t go to jail for petty crimes, so you shouldn’t go to Hell for petty sins.  Yet, there I was.  So I had to figure out why I was there.  And how I could get out.

 
   

 


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msbenefit on
Re: Chapter 15: Divine Intervention
i think sometimes you go over the top.  like:

 

"You,” I pointed at him, “me,” I tapped my chest with my pointer finger,” that crazy dude with the shit in his beard who talks to himself on the corner,” I waved my hand as if referring to something way off in the distance, “we’re all related.”

the action breaks up the dialogue too much.  and sometimes you have to think too much about what's happening.  like this one:

 

He put his palms together and intertwined his fingers.

 

why not just say he folded his hands or steepled his fingers or something?  you get caught up in the dialogue and then suddenly you're trying to make a mental picture of what the priest is doing with his hands.  i mean, for the most part, it moves the thing along, but there are instances when it disrupts the flow, you know?

 

sorry...  you probably weren't looking for criticism.  i enjoyed the passage.  and the opportunity to read some of what you've written.

booksay on
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No, I was absolutely looking for criticism and I really appreciate your feedback.  It's interesting, because originally I had almost no breaks - it was just dialogue - but then I went back and added all the action outside of the conversation.

Because I did it in that odd order, it's hard for me to tell how the passage flows, especially in conjunction with the rest of that chapter.  So I'm glad to get your insight.

Also, the reason I wrote "He put his palms together and intertwined his fingers" is because I figured everyone writes "he steepled his fingers" and I wanted to portray that image with different language to be more unique.  
booksay on
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Besides the two examples mentions, is there anything you would suggest removing?
msbenefit on
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i used to be an editor, just to warn you.

 

I asked with a sarcastic tone. -->  My tone was sarcastic.

 

if you're going to say "I continued," the next sentence shouldn't start with "But."  "but" is a word that already insinuates continuation.

 

"in a fake sign of surrender."  we know that he's being sarcastic, and the whole conversation is slightly blasphemous.  i don't think you need "fake" in there.

 

"He said it again for emphasis."  everyone who knows how to read social cues knows that you repeat something for emphasis (or neglectfulness, but especially in literature, for emphasis).

 

on the other hand, things i really like:  "the french fry crunched under the weight of my teeth."  "i grimaced as the french fry spiraled down my throat." 

 

something else to think about:  i know from experience that people chained to religion like pastors and priests (and who have to work daily with religious assholes like those who most enjoy going to church) often get discouraged and wind up in heresy.  i'm sure the old priest has several friends who think even more blasphemously than himself.  and besides, saying that the bible isn't the literal word of god is something that many many many people have believed for many many many years.  especially american catholicism doesn't adhere to this pov. 

 

and (just to rip this thing to shreds), as for the copying part...  i guess when the bible was still oral tradition, that could be true.  but as soon as it was written down, i have very deep faith that the hebrew testament two and a half thousand years ago is very similar to the hebrew testament we have now (given that you're reading in hebrew).  why?  because if someone copying the sacred texts missed a single stroke of a letter, the whole scroll had to be tossed.  the early christian church was much the same.  they would chain scribes to tables for the copying and they had to toss pages where they got anything wrong.  if you're talking oral tradition, you should specify that the changes occured before the bible was transcribed, or in the mass copying of the pauline epistles that took place soon after the letters reached their respective destinations, so that religious nuts and editorial jerks like me can't whine about holes in the plot.

 

and yeah, people are always wondering how adam and eve's kids had non-mutant kids.

 

okay, i'm leaving.  i feel like an ass.  but i'm still your biggest fan!

bardsinister on
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Excellent editorial comments, MsBenefit.

I was raised Jewish, and to the best of my recollection, there are still some prayers said essentially in the original Aramaic in which they were written, as opposed to the Biblical Hebrew.  Later translations--into Hebrew, Latin, and later, vernacular languages--probably do misinterpret some words.  Debate on that topic will be endless.
booksay on
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No, no, don't feel like an ass.  As an avid reader of this blog and an apparent former editor I very much respect your opinions. 

This is exactly why I used this conversation as my first excerpt, because, like I said, I went back to it after the book was finished and added in all those actions, so it is the least edited part of my entire novel.  I want criticisms like this, because I've read the thing so many times my eyes automatically scan and I miss important issues.

So, thank you very much for your criticisms, and I assure you that the rest of the book is much more polished than this passage. 
msbenefit on
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all the same, i assure you that i'm not like this with anything but writing.

revcathian on
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Hello!

 

Well, I am going to take you up on your offer here, and I'm going to give you honest criticism. Though you may not like what I am going to say, I hope you will appreciate the fact that I took the time to say it to you.

 

You have an engaging dialog going. I enjoy your writing style, and your characters interact pretty well.

 

The problem is that it is filled with junk science and misinformation. If you are telling me that you are floating the religious ideas that are coming from the apostate priest, Father Mitchell, I would have to inform you that it has all been said before.

 

Summary: Good writing, but weak and faulty premise.

 

You may not realize it, but most people expect religion-bashing in novels. It's so common it is passe'. It flows easily from your pen, but it has been done to the point that it is like a broken toe that has been stamped on over and over again. We see it on television, hear it on the radio, read it in the papers, books and on the internet. It's common "knowledge" that people don't want to believe the bible. So where is the news?

 

I challenge you to truly study Christian theology from the standpoint of a believer; anyone can take the antithesis point of view and try to float that, but truly great writers get into the skin of the person they are writing about and learn what makes them tick. If you do take the high road and study as I have suggested, and you still come out with the same ideas and opinions, then that would surprise me, but I would have far more respect for the basis and research of your writing.

 

Sincerely,

 

Rev. Cathian

booksay on
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See, I was worried this would happen if I just showed one conversation.  I didn't want to give the impression that my whole book is just the typical religion bashing found in similar stories. 

My story is not about that.  A common theme is the logical way that people explore the possibility that God doesn't exist, but that is not the point of the story.  The main character is an athiest who, by dying and going to Hell, finds his faith.  I have conversations that explore the good things and bad things that organized religion can do, but by harping on some of the negative aspects, the characters eventually discover the positives.  They, like any good story requires, experience a change.

That being said, I would like to challenge you as you have challenged me.  You write, "I would have far more respect for the basis and research of your writing."  You have no idea what the basis and research of my writing is, so you can't make a statement like that.  You don't know my beliefs, or how much time I spend at a church or synogogue or mosque.  You don't know what classes I have taken on religion, or what books I have studied in the library.

But I don't want to come off angry or defensive.  I appreciate the kind words you have to say about my writing as well as the criticism.  Just please know that the point of my book is not to bash religion, and that I cover both sides of the equation within the context of the entire story.
revcathian on
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That was a good answer, and you are right, I have no idea what the basis and research of your writing is. Now that you have explained your thoughts, I see there may be a turnaround.

 

However, I based my opinion on what you wrote, and my challenge was based on the dialog between your characters. To be sure, you may be a very religious person; I was speaking of the Bible-bashing, which relates to either Christian or Jew. With only the sparse information within the context of your dialog, there was nowhere else for me to go at that time; in a sense, you might say that you communicated your character's dilemma effectively, because it generated a reaction within me. 

 

I am interested in your character who dies and goes to Hell and finds his faith. I hope you mean he came back to life again?

 

Thank you for your response. I enjoy talking with you, and hope that you will not be offended by my responses, either.

 

Sincerely,

 

Rev. Cathian

booksay on
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Don't worry, I'm not offended at all.  I hope that you don't become offended by me. 

Yes, the character finds a way to escape from Hell and come back to life.  He believes that his soul was innocent, and some mix-up has occurred, so he spends the majority of the novel trying to prove the innocence of his soul. 
wisconsinpunk on
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So...... What do you think of God now?  You witnessed Death while people prayed to God.  Your writing, doesn't so much question others as it seems to question yourself.  God is a good subject. Because nobody has THE answer, just many questions.  For me it's not so hard to understand religions, I believe that everybody worships the same god, just diffrently. For I have never read in the bible that you should be a catholic, or a jew, or anything.   Was Jesus really the king of Jews?  Is Budwiser the king of beers?  And if so could you be a jew-lite?  Many questions.  But how about this?  What if in some way it is supposed to be exactly that?  You know, what if it's all about having questions? In our search for the answers we learn so much more about ourselfs, about humankind, about humanity and love and compassion. If we had all the answers then when would we learn anything?  Sometimes we need to look at things diffrently.  I right now have an empty cup of McDonalds coffee in my hand. Some might see it just as that, an empty cup.  But when you look at it and think about it, this empty cup gave some people some jobs. First you have the design people who came up with it, then you have the manufactures who made it and then there are pictures of people on it, so they made some money modeling for it. This empty cup is actually part of a massive chain of events, and it doesn't stop here.  You see I'll put this into my recycling bin and then people will come get it (more jobs) and then they will recycle it (More jobs) and it will be used for other stuff (more jobs).  Now think about that empty cup again, but in it's place picture yourself.  We are all apart of this massive chain of events, each of us connected to another in some shape, way or form.  Perhaps we are not to diffrent from an empty paper coffee cup then what you might think.

 

Lets look at the great debate and pit science v.s God.   We all know the simple law of energy in that energy can be converted from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. Considering we are all made of energy where did this energy come from? Where was the start? Think it back, any thoery including the big bang has this energy there. If Big bang is right, what caused it? if aliens created us, well then who created them?  Everything goes back to one thing and one thing only, so what was that one thing? 

 

Faith my friend, is named just that, Faith. Faith is beliving in something or somebody even when you have no solid reason too.  Just as I have faith that someday you will write an awsome best seller.  But I also believe that what you write about, will be bigger then you can even imagine right now.  It's not always about the writing, it's about what people take away from it that is most important.

 

A man once wrote "We know what we are, but know not what we may be" do you know who wrote this? I think you should.

-SW

booksay on
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Your quote, I believe, is from the great Hamlet, written by the great Billy S., or William Shakespeare, if you will. 

Your comments here are exactly the kinds of questions I want my book to stir up.  The one excerpt posted here doesn't accomplish that, but I hope that the book as a whole does.

Jew-lite, huh?  Sure.  I guess Guiness would be Orthadox Jews.  Budweiser would be the typical Jew.  And the lite beer would be Jews who don't really go to temple as often as they should or don't fast during passover or whatever.

As for what I am: I'm not a big fan of organized religion.  I'm not a big fan of men telling me what God wants me to do, as if they have any idea.  I don't like Bible songs like, "Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so."  How small-minded can you be? 

That being said, I understand the purpose of organized religion.  I understand what it can do for people.  Especially after witnissing the death you mention.  I see how it can bring people comfort.  There are just so many things about it that bother me.

I also dislike the real strong religious believers who can't put their faith in anything but God.  "No, dinosaurs and humans lived together, becuase the Bible says the Earth is only 6,000 years old."  Okay, but if God can create those things than God created our ability to study things scientifically, and gave us the ability to discover reasons why the Earth might be older than that.  And since the Bible was translated from its original language, isn't it possible that some of the text got changed in the process?  Maybe the Bible really said that the earth is 600 million years old, but a few of the zeros got lost in the translation. 

I would like to believe that a God exists.  You are absolutely right that if the Big Bang occured, who caused it?  If matter can not be created or destroyed, where did we come from?  I have also read studies where people from all over the world had near-death experiences and they were able to explain the exact same sights, so that makes me think that some sort of after-life exists.

So I would say that I am spiritual, but not religious.  I think we  must have come from somewhere, and that when we die we go somewhere, but I don't think that attending Church has any say on which somehwere I go to. 
wisconsinpunk on
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Nice job on BDTSP by the way.  I'm not hip on organized religion either.  I like pork, I hate fish and confessing my sins in a porta-potty just sin't my thing, if God is all knowing he already knows what I did.  Hey the next time my uncle slams into you when he's drunk cut him some slack!!!!
booksay on
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Absolutely right.  Who is this guy to tell me God forgives me?  How does he know?  For that matter, who is the Pope to tell me what God wants?  He was elected!  It doesn't work that way - men choosing which one of them is suddenly in personal contact with God.  You can't elect God's messenger. 

You watch BDTSP, huh?  Yeah, I haven't seen it yet.  I don't think I want to, I hate watching myself, but thanks for the compliment.  It means a lot.    
wisconsinpunk on
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Yeah I watch BDTSP  where do you think I get all my fashion tips? One thing tho, when the girls come on, there was no audio. But all in all it was a good show.
booksay on
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I didn't know you were as fashionable as those techies.  Now I know, and will not make the same mistake again.

There's no audio?  Well that's not good.  I better go tell the producer this instant.
bardsinister on
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Jew-lite?  Judaism has never been an evangelical religion.  The "Chosen People" are for the most part, exclusionary and separatist.  Traditional Judaism has no concept of Heaven or Hell such as that Christianity developed.

It's difficult to tell from this small excerpt, but what is your version of "Hell?"  Offering a new concept of the afterlife (if one exists) is what will make your book interesting.  Albert Brooks' film Defending Your Life was brilliant.  Dante's Inferno, also brilliant.  (It seems I will spend eternity on the level of Lust.)
booksay on
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We were just joking around about Jew-lite, don't worry.

As for Hell, I took concepts from Dante's Inferno and a number of other pieces of literature and created my own version of Hell with its own form of torture and my own interpretation of demons.  I then, in the most intricate part of my novel, explain how it is possible for a soul to escape from Hell.
bardsinister on
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I am looking forward to your take on the afterlife.  It is difficult to get a sense of where you are taking your story through small bites.
booksay on
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That's true, these little snippets really aren't enough.  I hope you'd find it interesting, because I spent a lot of time determining what my view of the afterlife would be.
bardsinister on
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It is difficult to obtain your view from the snips.   I do think you can offer an interesting perspective on established concepts.  That is the way to distinguishing yourself.
booksay on
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Actually, I'm going to add this dinosaur talk into my blog right now.  Ah, the power of instant gratification.
bruneirover on
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Hi…I enjoy reading your post but you haven't done your homework properly. One example is - you haven't study about the amount of water we have in this world. Second example is - you don't know the flood happened in one place or not. Third example is - you cannot be sure that the flood occurred all over the world. Fourth example is - if all over the world were flooded than tell me where the EXTRA water comes from? Fifth example is – how long the flood occurred must be considered in your finding for logic calculation, scientific reason, etc.

 

 I love your intention to discover the truth but you need to be careful. This is what I like in your passage "I want some mathematician to determine whether it is scientifically possible for six billion people to exist if the entire population started with just Noah and his wife in 2400 B.C.”

 

I just believe Prophet Noah pbuh was a massager of God for his people only and the flood is also for his people too. Please correct me if I'm wrong with evidence, logic or verses from Bible and Quran.

 

booksay on
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You are not necessarily wrong with anything, except for taking the character too seriously.  His thoughts on Noah and the flood are his thoughts.  At this point he is young and naive.  Later in the book he finds his faith and gets a stronger opinion on religion.  But at that point he is discussing his thoughts and concerns with a priest.  It doesn't mean that anything he is saying is true.  
bardsinister on
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"a massager of God"

One of the funniest things I have read this week.

I've written quite a few blog entries mocking the co-existence of hominids and dinosaurs.  I don't feel any need to repeat the stories.

"Proof" of how life existed on earth 10,000, 25,0000 years ago exists.  Several thousand years ago, people perhaps did not understand the significance of some things they found.  Now, we can.

Why is Noah's flood story any more believeable then the Greek equivalent? 
booksay on
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I agree with you.  Even if carbon-dating is off by hundreds of thousands, or even millions of years, it still means that dinosaur fossils are millions of years old.  Plus, what about fossils that split, and half are found on the tip of one continent, and the other half is found on the tip of another?  If the plates under the earth move as slowly as we know they do, isn't that proof enough that the fossils had to have been there millions of years ago?
bardsinister on
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What is more interesting to explore is the shared mythology of a great flood, or similar natural disasters.
wisconsinpunk on
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Maybe somebody left there bath tub running.
anonymouspastor on
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i enjoyed your story and dialogue. the father is in story seems to me to be a wise man - i especially liked the taking the last fry bit. i have done that before myself, though not with the witty lone beforehand.
booksay on
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Haha, well thank you very much.  There's no shame in taking the last fry.

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