my laptop, thanx to geeksquad at Best Buy will be back on-line tomorrow at $150 LESS than I expected.

But I have jerry-rigged the old unit with an ethernet cable and am laborously using a pain in the butt keyboard to type this out.

 

I just read a legal analyst of MSNBC saying she thought it was a good decision.  I think she is full of shit.

To those that may not know, my background is both a criminology degree (with many courses in legal opinions regarding both constitutional as well as procedural limits on police action) and many years as both a cop and a law enforcement professional.

 

The emphasis seems to be on the 'over kill'  - the number of shots fired,  with the acceptable explaination that cops are trained to kill, not wound.  BUT, this 'cop' who fired 31 shots emptied his automatic, reloaded and emptied again saying he thought his weapon jambed.  'This cop' was a detective, not a street cop possibly new on the force with limited firearms experience.  He did NOT not know his weapon had discharged 15 times into that van?  BULLSHIT - recoil, sound, visual track of shots fired . . . what a MORONIC defense.

 

Shooting the van - I'm sure there are better details, but popular media says nothing about the van ramming any vehicles, merely hitting them as it tried to get away.  Where is the 'mortal danger' that allows officers, no, DETECTIVES to open fire on a van?

 

Victims criminal history was NOT KNOWN to the detectives, so has NO bearing on the legitimacy of the shoot.

 

So we have a comment outsiden a club, not an action, that suggested someone was, or would be armed.

 

The detectives followed them AROUND A BLOCK and did not feel a need to take action?

The detective(s) then allowed the perps to gain the sanctuary of a lethal weapon?  ie :  the van.

Some detective, at 3 a.m., saw MOVEMENT INSIDE A VAN? that suggested the perp was reaching for a weapon?

What part of TRAVESTY doesn't this MSNBC "expert" or the judge, understand?

 

If you can believe it, the judge said : "Questions of carelessness and incompetence must be left to other forums."   Uh, careless discharge of a weapon resulting in death IS for the criminal court, NOT "other forums".

 

God Bless the victims family and the people of New York.  I pray they maintain their cool and let the lawyers bring it through the appeals process.  NYC police and courts should be ashamed AND held accountable.

Not murder by any means, but those detectives, as far as the information I have seen, are dead guily of manslaughter or at the least, reckless manslaughter.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/04/24/nyregion/20080424_BELL_GRAPHIC.html

 
   

 


 
 
rv1501 on
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5 Cops = 50 rounds/5(?) guns

3 Perps = 00 rounds/no guns 1 dead, 2 injured

 

Yep, seems like a fair NYC gun battle.

 

BTW, did you notice that fat-assed racists Sharpton & Jackson were stirring the race pot - again?!

Even though three of the officers were black!!

 

 

bbmyls2go on
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I've never heard of this story until today which is why I state up front there are probably facts that I don't know about from this trial.  I had no idea of the racial makeup of the officers.

We know by now that Sharpton and to a lesser extent, Jackson, are media whores which is why I discount ANYTHING I read about them.  But fact are facts - a detective who pumped 15 shots into a van thought his weapon had midfired? I'd be willing to hang him for that outrageous lie alone.  (btw, I think there were only 3 shooters, not 5 and only 2 were black).

rv1501 on
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The reason you don't remember it was because this happened 11-25-06.

Ok, I misread that - "2 of the three", but,  "With tires screeching, glass breaking and bullets flying, the officers said they believed they were the ones under fire. Oliver responded by emptying his semiautomatic pistol, reloading, and emptying it again. Isnora fired 11 rounds, and Cooper four. Two other officers who fired weren't charged. " 

Two of the five officers involved were black, one was white, one was Middle-Eastern, and one was of biracial black and Hispanic origin (Haitian/Mexican). The first officer to fire was black

 

If I remember correctly, it wasn't a van but a car - it's been a while since I saw the news footage.

snuggs on
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this verdict was a travesty of justice.  i'm surprised there isn't rioting.  on both sides of the fence, our criminal justice system is a mess.

rv1501 on
Re: I Can't Let This One Go By- The NYC verdict of Sean Bell
FYI: NO JURY was involved - the three pigs opted for a judicial ruling rather that a cartain conviction by a jury!
snuggs on
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well, that is their right under the constitution.  but yeah....i think a jury would have been a lot tougher on the officers.
askjesse on
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All I needed to know was that, out of all the police officers shooting, one had to reload...

When is that necessary when it isn't clear that someone is trying to kill you?

This is ridiculous...

It is like stabbing someone 200 times and saying, oops!

 
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