Praise God He is able to do exceedingly abundantly more than we could ever ask or pray for.

Funny you are talking about sin/healing/issues... I am doing a bible study by Beth Moore..and this last week, one of the days was focusing on that issue.

She cites scripture where Jesus healed and said..go and sin no more or your sins are forgiven kinds of things...And then she cites scriptures where He heals and says clearly ( the blind man) that this man didnt sin, nor did his parents, this is for the Glory of God...

So clearly its not a black and white issue as some make it to be.. sometimes it is a sin issue ( like me over eating and not eating right does not help with diabetes, etc) or sometimes it just is because we live in a fallen world.

Dawn

The frightening thing about it is that a fellow who goes to the church, and has been a helper to introduce this sort of formulaic faith into our church, is also in the hospital. He has had issues with pnumonia in the past, and this time the infection got right into his blood, causing his organs to systematically shut down.

We have a woman in church who has been fighting inopperable brain cancer for over a year now. She has been near death, but has recently been getting stronger. She comes in under her own strength, leaning on her husband. That family did not seen to follow the other, as far as I can tell.

There are many sects that teach many things about healing and deliverance. I have some knowledge of it and almost always disagree in my spirit. I am no one special, but God has shown me bunches, and he has given me discernment to know truth. My wife and I have mentioned these things to our Pasotr before, but we often are shut down, being told that we are helping in a demonic attack.

 

I often wonder how I can present my cases before our Pastor and still be respectful. Generally I have a problem with gentleness when it comes to telling the truth and knowing what the Bible says about certain issues.

Wow; I don't know if I could stay under the said circumstances, and still be able to worship freely.  I, too, have discernment and feel atmosphere strongly, so am prone to get uncomfortable during worship time.  And if I can't completely trust the minister, it also makes me wonder about other things he could be saying in error.

But I know you and your wife will pray for wisdom in what you should do.  You know, the word says to approach them and if it still won't get better, you may have to do something else, such as leaving.  I will pray that you will have a great spirit and attitude when you approach him...but you said you have already done so...if my pastor said I was aiding an abetting a Satanic attack, I would find it very difficult to live with...of course, I would pray and truly seek my heart first, before making a decision, but....

God bless you brother.

I am praying also for the healing of these dear souls.

Hey, fella.  Interesting picture, lol.

 

I was at school all last weekend, so I didn't hear about Orie's condition until earlier today. 

 

If he abstained from calling it cancer, it might mean he doesn't know what kind of growth it is.  It could be a cystic growth or a bony growth, for instance.  Or did he make it obvious that it was cancer?

 

I tend to take a similar attitude towards that person's teaching.  I believe that sin is what has left humanity open to sickness, but particular sins don't necessarily cause certain illnesses, unless there's a physical correlation.  It's not heretical or rebellious to disagree in such a way.  It can't be considered rebellion unless there's a spirit of rebellion behind it, and, knowing you, I don't see that in you.  I do struggle with rebellion sometimes, but I don't think that's what's behind my disagreement.  I've verbally disagreed with Orie on a few things, and he's never had any problem with that. Actually, we've had very healthy conversations about those disagreements.  He's never accused me of heresy, so I think either of us would be safe in voicing our concerns to him.  I don't think I've told him how I feel about that particular teaching, yet.  However, now may not be the best time. 

 

I agree with what you say about the altar of God.  Works don't gain salvation for us, and works don't gain us any more favor or covering from God.  What you said also reminds me of one of my favorite hymns.  "Come ye sinners, poor and needy.  Weak and wounded, sick and sore.  Jesus ready stands to save you, full of pity, love, and power.  I will arise and go to Jesus.  He will embrace me in his arms.  And in the arms of my dear Savior, there are ten thousand charms."  A later verse, the verse that I was actually reminded of when reading your post, says, "Come ye weary and heavy laden, lost and ruined by the fall.  If you tarry till you're better, you will never come at all."

 

See you Sunday.

God bless.