(CNN) -- Air travelers might have to get used to stuffing lipstick and lotion into their luggage rather than carry it with them in the wake of a plot to destroy airliners with liquid-based explosives, security experts say.

The Transportation Security Administration issued new rules banning nearly all liquids, including beverages, lotions and hair gels, from being taken on planes after British authorities arrested at least 24 suspects in the plot.

British airlines went even further, banning all carry-on luggage except for keys, wallets, glasses and other essentials. Medications and baby formula are being allowed. (Full story)

Jamie Bowden, a former terminal manager at London's Heathrow Airport, said the new rules may be here to stay.

"I think certainly here in the U.K. and certainly in the States as well, people are now getting used to kind of a new way of travel," Bowden told CNN on Friday. "So that I think, although the airlines certainly don't want these kinds of restrictions, if they believe through government intelligence that it's much safer to fly like this, that may be a new way that people are going to have to get used to flying."

The TSA hasn't indicated how long the restrictions would remain in place but said on its Web site that "these measures will be constantly evaluated and updated as circumstances warrant."

U.S. Rep. Peter Hoekstra, R-Michigan, said the plot "eliminates the days of carry-on baggage," according to The Associated Press.

Nancy McKinley of the International Airline Passengers Association said the new rules are going to be a "huge adjustment," especially for business travelers.

"The challenge is going to be with the airlines on all the luggage [that] is checked and can it actually get to the destination in a reasonable amount of time once you get there -- how long do you have to wait for it and all of that," she said. (Watch how airports are getting bags through screening and to planes -- 1:47)

McKinley said some airports are urging people to arrive three hours before their flights.

"That's going to be difficult for business travelers, too. That takes a big hunk out of your day," she said.

A senior congressional source said authorities believe the plotters planned to mix a British sports drink with a gel-like substance to make an explosive that they possibly could trigger with an MP3 player or cell phone.

The components of the bomb would appear harmless until they were combined aboard the planes. (Full story)

The TSA has not banned U.S. passengers from carrying laptops, cell phones, MP3 players or BlackBerrys onto planes.

McKinley said it would "just be a nightmare" for business travelers if they did.

"If they try to take laptops and cell phones and put them into checked baggage, that creates a whole new problem," she said. "Because in the past, those type of things (were) not covered. If your luggage is lost and you have something like that in your luggage, it's not covered."

McKinley said she was confident that the restrictions eventually would be eased, once screening technology catches up with the threat.

"I mean there are studies going on right now to get more equipment, more updated equipment that can be changed out so that it doesn't become archaic, and I think that's where the focus has got to go," she said.

After the September 11, 2001, attacks, authorities banned passengers from carrying sharp objects such as knives, scissors and nail clippers. Passengers also were required to have their shoes examined after Briton Richard Reid tried to blow up a plane with a bomb hidden in his shoe.

In December, the TSA decided to allow passengers to carry scissors and small tools on board. (Full story)

Rafi Ron, former head of security at Tel Aviv, Israel's Ben Gurion Airport, said screeners should focus more on finding suspicious people than on hunting for potential terrorist tools.

"It is extremely difficult for people to disguise the fact they are under tremendous amount of stress, that they are going to kill themselves and a lot of people around them in a short amount of time, and all the other factors that effect their behavior," Ron said.

 

From CNN.com 

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This is so outrageous. I just can't believe that this is happening... again.

 

 

 

 
   

 


 
 
mysticpizzaguy on
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You know what else is outrageous? You going to Cnn.com. I never thought I'd see the day...
Fluffycatcake on
Re: New airline restrictions may be here to stay (cnn.com)
OH GAWD.
mysticpizzaguy on
Re: New airline restrictions may be here to stay (cnn.com)
Where!? I don't see him!
Fluffycatcake on
Re: New airline restrictions may be here to stay (cnn.com)
Behind you!

mysticpizzaguy on
Re: New airline restrictions may be here to stay (cnn.com)
My CHAIR is god!?!?! Damn. I guess I probably shouldn't have my butt in his face then...
Fluffycatcake on
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Yeah. really.
mysticpizzaguy on
Re: New airline restrictions may be here to stay (cnn.com)
Mmkay. Watched V for Vendetta. Again. Hehe... good times.
Fluffycatcake on
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lol, we OWN the movie. HA!
Benga on
Re: New airline restrictions may be here to stay (cnn.com)
Ouchies, that is seriously harsh!

 

On the bright side of things.... I like the new layout! ^_^

♥ Dan

Fluffycatcake on
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Aww, thanks! And isn't that horrible?
Benga on
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Yeah, soon enough everyone will have to be strip/full cavity searched, wear only provided 'temporary' clothing, and have every single item thoroughly checked and stuffed in storage for each flight, lol  I mean really.... if someone is determined to blow up a plane, obviously at the cost of their life they'll ALWAYS be able to find a way.  It's like saying you can make the internet hack-proof, you just can't do it!

♥ Dan

Fluffycatcake on
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Well said. Hopefully it won't come to that... I don't really want to have to go through a full cavity search.....
Benga on
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Haha, that makes two of us!  Besides being uncomfortable.... it would be way, waaaayyyy too embarassing!  I'd never fly again, honest!

♥ Dan

Fluffycatcake on
Re: New airline restrictions may be here to stay (cnn.com)
I know! I don't think anyone would!
Benga on
Re: New airline restrictions may be here to stay (cnn.com)
Well, unless they had someone like...... bettie  doing the searches in a private room..... then everyone would fly, lol  Just teasing! Although she is quite the lady

♥ Dan

dthep47 on
Re: New airline restrictions may be here to stay (cnn.com)
Have a read of this correspondence:

feel free to share it with whoever

 

Dear Delta Baggage Service Centre

In reading your e-mail replies below, I am appalled and bemused at your request for information to identify the baggage.

What considerable concerns I had at the time of writing my original e-mail on the 23rd of August are now magnified several times over with this abject demonstration of lack of focus and incompetent customer care.

Firstly during one of my 18-minute transatlantic phone calls to Atlanta Baggage Service Centre I gave a clear and concise description of the suitcase and was assured this was to be logged on the file. To enable as you state "our tracing system will search for an exact match"

Secondly if you take the trouble to reread either copy of my e-mails sent 23 August and 1st of September you will find it embodied in there.

I am resisting the temptation to have the next lines flash at you in bold neon text.

" Black Carlton hard plastic suitcase with 1 inch yellow stripe around the splitline. Our name and address is taped inside the lid on A4 paper with duct tape"

Additionally I attach a representative picture below and manufacturers description: "Carlton Airtec luggage made from virtually unbreakable Polypropylene * 3 Dial combination lock * 2 side latches * 3 Year guarantee * Corner wheels * Spring loaded handle * Size 67 x 53 x 24cm Weight 4.6Kg Capacity 60Ltr"

Thirdly on Monday I faxed you copies of your Property Loss Claim Form (the original following by UK Airmail Post) and associated supporting documentation including a full and detailed description of the missing contents with a request for confirmation of receipt by return e-mail. This surely demonstrates a complete lack of co-ordination and customer aftercare, don’t you agree?

Probably the most significant and indentifiable items in the contents are a white christening dress and shawl and shoes.... of major importance as a family heirloom I must add.

Without wishing to cloud the issues can I also point out that at the start of this saga the web based baggage check facility on your web pages was unable to process my request. More importantly the fax number listed on the Passenger Property Loss Form is unobtainable and it took me 9 minutes to get the correct number from your U.K. office. Once more a clear indictment of your departments parlous and deplorable service to your customers.

I now request you share this mail with your supervisor in the forlorn hope that as per my original e-mail request, "Someone from Delta Airlines please personally take charge of the situation to perform an earnest and comprehensive search for my wife's baggage" and  that the information we have provided to date is confirmed as being entered onto the file including receipt of the PPLC form.

Sincerely

DAVE PICKUP/SUE PICKUP

CLAYTON-LE-MOORS

ACCRINGTON

LANCASHIRE

U.K.




 


From:  "Delta, ATLResBSCMail" <ATLResBSCMail.Delta@delta.com>
To:  "D dot P" <ddotp2@hotmail.com>
Subject:  Pickup, Sue/AHL MANDL35147
Date:  Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:49:03 -0400
>
>Dear Mrs. & Mr. Pickup,
>
>
>
>Thank you for your inquiry and please accept our most sincere
>
>apology regarding not only the delayed luggage but the time it
>
>has taken us to respond to your e-mail as well.
>
>
>
>We regret we do not have any new information for you at this
>
>time.  To enhance our tracing process, please provide the
>
>following descriptive information:
>
>· Contents of Luggage - Please provide us with a description
>
>of three or four specific items in your luggage, located toward
>
>the top.  (A book or anything with your name, such as medical
>
>prescription).  If the identification tag and destination tag has
>
>come off, this information will help to identify your luggage.
>
>When this data is received, we will include it in your file and
>
>our tracing system will search for an exact match.
>
>
>
>Again, we apologize for all the inconvenience this situation
>
>has caused.
>
>The Delta Baggage Service Center/AD
>
>________________________________
>
>From: D dot P [mailto:ddotp2@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Fri 9/1/2006 7:59 AM
>To: ATL655, BSC
>Subject: RESENT 1/09/06 REGARDING baggage PIR MANDL 35147
>
>
>
>Sirs
>
>I am writing with some considerable concerns regarding ny wifes delayed and hopefully not lost luggage as per the above.
>
>Inbound from New York to Manchester 13 August DL 154
>
>PIR man 35109 ORIGINALLY ASSIGNED.
>
>Changed to MANDL 35147.
>
>All enquiries to MANCHESTER AVIANCE UK are met with what I can only describe as " polite indifference"
>
>The last information we had was that some one had been sent to MANCHESTER Terminal 3 " to look for it" This has been the situation for 3 or 4 days now. The case was tracked via Madrid to Paris CDG
>
>SURELY if 3 or 4 searches have been performed at Manchester without success, Paris and possibly Madrid should now be investigated. ????
>
>The file has details of the suitcase which I repeat " Black Carlton hard plastic suitcase with 1 inch yellow stripe around the splitline. Our name and address is taped inside the lid on A4 paper with duct tape.
>
>I ask can some one from Delta Airlines please personally take charge of the situation to perform an earnest and comprehensive search for my wife's baggage. I have little or no confidence with Aviance Manchester after my contacts with them across the last 5 days the term "polite indifference" is worth repeating yet again to describe/endorse our frustrations at our dealings with your agents.
>
>I trust Delta Airlines can bring this to a happy conclusion and look forward to your replies. And thank you in advance for your efforts.
>
>sincerely
>
>
>
>DAVE PICKUP
>
>SUE PICKUP
>
 BRISBANE STREET
>
>CLAYTON-LE-MOORS
>
>ACCRINGTON
>
>LANCASHIRE BB5 5LX
>
>U.K.
>

 
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